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  • Good game, huh biggrin

    734Nole ●

  • 734Nole said...

    Good game, huh biggrin

    Ha!

    Looked like Moore did his job...he's still.real young.

    We are gonna lighr verlander up, son..

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    WillyDees

  • WillyDees said...

    Ha!

    Looked like Moore did his job...he's still.real young.

    We are gonna lighr verlander up, son..

    I was only able to catch the last 2 innings on TV so I didnt get to see Moore pitch, but it looks like he was pretty effective.

    He threw over 100 pitches though, and gave up a game tying HR to the last guy he faced. I wonder if he was left in too long. Surprised to see a pitcher as young as him going to 106 pitches or whatever it was.

    We feasted on the bullpen, you cant keep this offense down too long. Badenhop was also a former Tiger. Looking back, the Marlins got raped by the Tigers. We got the best hitter in the game right now in Cabrera, and they got Andrew Miller (bounced around, hasnt done much), Cameron Maybin (might pan out, but wont be with Marlins), Badenhop (not on Marlins anymore) , De La Cruz (dont know where he is), Trahern (havent heard his name since) and Rabelo (not in MLB anymore). So the Marlins have no one who is contributing for their team that they acquired in the Cabrera trade.

    And MVP is 6-1 career v the Rays, so you might win tomorrow, but I will be surprised if it is because you lit up JV. Thursday is going to be an interesting game with Smyly pitching.

    734Nole ●

  • Moore was a little wild though, walked 5 in 6.2 to go with the 4 k. 47 of his 106 pitches were balls. He is going to have to be more efficient with his pitch count to go deeper into games. If he can do that, he might be a future ace. Verlander had the same problems early in his career, would rack up 100 pitches in the 5-6 inning. Now he has cut that down (plus he is a freak who can go 115 pitches every start) and now he is 8 ip at least it seems like every game. You need your ace to go deep in games.

    Also, Maddon made an interesting call in the game. First and Third 2 outs, he intentionally walked Cabrera to load the bases to pitch to Fielder. It worked out, but I dont like putting an extra man in scoring position, especially when the next hitter finished 3rd in the NL mvp voting the year prior. I guess he was just scared of Cabrera. Cabrera then hit a leadoff 2b that sparked the go-ahead rally, so maybe he should have walked Cabrera then too

    734Nole ●

  • I didnt realize how old Matt Moore was (not that he is old, just older than I thought. For some reason I thought he was drafted like 2 years ago and was a 20 year old)

    Moore and Porcello were drafted in the same draft year, both out of HS. Porcello is entering his 4th full season in the majors this year, he is basically a veteran now and Moore is a rookie. Kind of surprised it took Moore so long to make the majors, but he looks like he is the real deal

    This post was edited by 734Nole on 4/10/2012 at 6:18 PM

    734Nole ●

  • Moore should have left with the lead if not for Molina letting another ball get by him that should not have. Molina imo so far is not doing that well behind the plate. He cost Hellboy a strikeout on a fake pick-off and then he has let 2 balls get past him that should not have.

    Moore must have been nervous due to him never walking people and he walked more than he struckout. That said, he still only gave up 3-4 hits and really only allowed 1 run in 7 innings vs that murders row lineup.

    GO NOLES! / SCALP EM!

    NOLE FAN1 ●

  • Like I said, I was in class most of his start, but I just noticed the high pitch count and the number of walks as well as the fact he was at 106 pitches or so when he gave up the tying HR. It looks like he was pretty dominant beside the high pitch count. I am surprised Maddon let him throw that many pitches. And as I stated before, that is something he can get over, Verlander used to rack up 100 or so pitches early on as well and no its unusual if he DOESNT pitch 8 innings. Moore looks like he has the stuff to be a potential future ace.

    I like the way this game is starting out as well, MVP looking strong again on the mound cool

    734Nole ●

  • I was in class pretty much the whole game again, but it looks like JV started overthrowing in the 9th (was sitting 94 or so all game with his fastball, was throwing and missing at 99 in 9th). Solid win for the Rays today, look forward to being at the game tomorrow (also to see Smyly first career start)

    734Nole ●

  • They left him in to long if you ask me, they should have taken him out after the Jennings hit...Great come from behind win for the Rays though

    nolesfan73

  • He was at 80 or so pitches after 8 and only had given up 1 hit until that point. You got to give him the opportunity to win the game. he throws 115 pitches per start on average, so pitch count wasn't the issue. He got too pumped in the 9th and was throwing too hard. Not as accurate throwing 99 and 98 as he as 95

    734Nole ●

  • Its hard to fool major league hitters 3 or 4 times in the same game...even for Verlander (who is the best pitcher in the league right now).

    With his track record and how he looked, I wouldve had a hard time taking him out. It looks like a bad decision now, but I cant say I would've.

    It's clear that these are the 2 best.teams in the AL (smirk).

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    WillyDees

  • True but I couldnt be an MLB manager I would be to cautious because I would have pulled him after the Jennings hit even with Pena (good for 150+ SO a year) and Longo coming up

    nolesfan73

  • Look, 99% of pitchers I might agree with you, but Justin Verlander is different than any other pitcher. He can throw 115-120 pitches a game, he usually looks as good at pitch 120 as he does at pitch 20. Look at his pitch speeds, today he was throwing 95 most of game and then the 9th came around and he was 98-99 with his fastball. He was overthrowing because he got too amped up and he lost his accuracy. He basically even said as much in his postgame comments. Go look at his game logs from last year, he went 8-9 innings consistently. His last start he got pulled after 8 and our closer blew it in the 9th. Verlander is a throwback guy, he wants to finish his games, and with only 80 pitches going into 9th you have to let the MVP pitch until he loses his lead if he asks me.

    734Nole ●

  • 734Nole said...

    Look, 99% of pitchers I might agree with you, but Justin Verlander is different than any other pitcher. He can throw 115-120 pitches a game, he usually looks as good at pitch 120 as he does at pitch 20. Look at his pitch speeds, today he was throwing 95 most of game and then the 9th came around and he was 98-99 with his fastball. He was overthrowing because he got too amped up and he lost his accuracy. He basically even said as much in his postgame comments. Go look at his game logs from last year, he went 8-9 innings consistently. His last start he got pulled after 8 and our closer blew it in the 9th. Verlander is a throwback guy, he wants to finish his games, and with only 80 pitches going into 9th you have to let the MVP pitch until he loses his lead if he asks me.

    Agreed...

    IMO there are 2 guys that can call their own shots as far as pitch count goes, and Verlander is one of them (The other is Halladay, of course).

    He's just a monster.

    This post was edited by WillyDees on 4/11/2012 at 6:59 PM

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    WillyDees

  • Now that game was more like it biggrin

    Being at the game I noticed some other things I didn't from following mostly on gamecast before, that shift he puts on Cabrera was puzzling. Cabrera actually has more hits to the right side than the left side this year and historically he uses all parts of the stadium.

    I also find it odd he kept brining in LHP to face Boesch all series. I know Boesch is a lefty, but career he hits .318/.377/.465 v LHP and .251/.311/.418 v RHP.

    Its almost like Maddon outthinks himself sometimes. The Cabrera thing didn't hurt him today, but putting a huge shift on a guy who uses the whole field is odd, and the LHP v. Boesch seemed to back fire this series. A lot of the things Maddon does works, but he also does some things that just puzzle me.

    734Nole ●

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