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  • Hey guys,

    Can anyone with familiarity in the legal field shed some light on FSU's law school? I know for practicing in the state of Florida, FSU and UF are considered fairly comparable (UF has a top tax law program, which I like, but I'm from out-of-state anyway and would childishly never consider going to UF). I'm from Virginia, went to college in PA, and would like to settle down back south (family friends were big FSU fans...long story). I'm not that sure I want to live in Florida long term, but could certainly see myself doing so. I would love living in Tallahassee in the near future, esp for our title run this year.

    I was just accepted by FSU a couple days ago...rec'd a nice phone call. At the moment, I'm heavily considering Alabama (with nearly full $), Vanderbilt, and Wake Forest. I love Chapel Hill, too, but they haven't responded yet. I don't necessarily need to do big law, which is why I am definitely considering going to a more regional school than Vanderbilt (Vanderbilt is ranked 18th, while once you hit the 20s, everything is fairly similar and depends on where you want to practice...not much diff between Bama's 29, Wake's 44, UNC's 38, and FSU's 51).

    Anyway, if we have any FSU law grads or people who are familiar with the school, all insight would be much appreciated. I guess for that matter, anyone with familiarity in law in the Gulf Coast/Carolinas would be very helpful, too! Thanks again.

    This post was edited by andy88c on 3/16/2012 at 6:33 AM

    andy88c

  • Really depends on where you want to end up. FSU and UF, numbers wise, are neck and neck. FSU is doing really great things through the moot court and mock trial programs, and now that I'm out I can recognize the value of being part of them, so I would encourage current students to try out. If you're not going to a major market like New York, the pedigree of your degree is not as important. In SEC states, there will be SEC bias to a certain extent. Even in Florida, hiring partners are still getting used to FSU being such a quality program, but as the recent grads progress in the workplace, our reputation is growing.

    FSU COL has a lot of opportunities that other schools do not have (ahem, hogtown) by virtue of simply being in the capitol. You can go to Supreme Court oral arguments all the time, intern with the various government branches, etc.

    I know you don't know right now, but choice of program is largely dependent on what you want to be doing. I changed my mind twice during law school, and now am exploring my third practice area since getting out. I honestly would probably lean toward the full ride at Bama if all other things are roughly equal.

    My only real law school advice is don't do it, but nobody listens. So, my other twocents is to take all of the practical courses/clinics you can, even if you don't think you'll litigate. You can learn substance later, but technique, argument, objections, etc. is something you're not going to be taught as an associate. I spent 3 years doing transactional work and now litigate, and I have to spend nonbillable time observing trials in order to pick up a lot of those things.

    FSULaura

  • Not an FSU Law grad (I went to Michigan State for law school, George Washington for my LLM) but I would definitely recommend taking the $$$. All of the schools you mentioned are great schools and you will get the legal education you want at any of them. Having been to a top tier school and a second tier school I can tell you that they really aren't that different at all.

    This post was edited by SmokinJoeP on 3/16/2012 at 9:13 AM

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    blounted1

  • I had forgotten about that. It really is spot on.

    FSULaura

  • Unfortunately I wasn't shown that until much after I graduated law school. It's hilarious and biting at the same time.

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  • blounted1 said...

    Unfortunately I wasn't shown that until much after I graduated law school. It's hilarious and biting at the same time.

    I'm watching it again now and not sure whether to laugh or cry.

    FSULaura

  • Let me first congratulate you on your achievement. However, I second what FSU Laura states. I Graduated from FSU Law several years ago (close to 10 now) and glad I went there over any other in-state schools. FSU has seen a steady progression in large part because of an active dean and faculty. However, if I were in your shoes, I would jump on the full ride scholarship at AL (unless another schools will offer something comparable).

    As a final note, think long and hard about law school in general. I would consider, time permitting, spending time at a law firm/in court and seeing how things operate before making a 3 year school and potentially lifelong work commitment. It is not as glamorous as seen on TV and, for many, the salaries are not commensurate to the amount of work that you put in.

    Good luck!

    Noleble One

  • It honestly depends on what you want to do as a lawyer. If you want to work in a large firm, you need to attend the highest ranked law school you get into, which based on the above would be Vanderbilt. If you want a smaller/local practice, then go to the law school in the region/state in which you plan to practice. If you are anything like me, I didn't know what I wanted to do as a lawyer so I went to the highest ranked law school to give myself the most flexibility (I graduated from NYU law in 2008).

    One thing I'd like to point out - at least in my field (big law) - the first question a client typically asks (until you have enough experience to prove yourself) is "where did you go to law school?" It's has no real connection to whether a person is a good lawyer but it is a sticking point that many people in my field wear as a badge.

    4evaward

  • andy88c said...

    Hey guys,

    Can anyone with familiarity in the legal field shed some light on FSU's law school? I know for practicing in the state of Florida, FSU and UF are considered fairly comparable (UF has a top tax law program, which I like, but I'm from out-of-state anyway and would childishly never consider going to UF). I'm from Virginia, went to college in PA, and would like to settle down back south (family friends were big FSU fans...long story). I'm not that sure I want to live in Florida long term, but could certainly see myself doing so. I would love living in Tallahassee in the near future, esp for our title run this year.

    I was just accepted by FSU a couple days ago...rec'd a nice phone call. At the moment, I'm heavily considering Alabama (with nearly full $), Vanderbilt, and Wake Forest. I love Chapel Hill, too, but they haven't responded yet. I don't necessarily need to do big law, which is why I am definitely considering going to a more regional school than Vanderbilt (Vanderbilt is ranked 18th, while once you hit the 20s, everything is fairly similar and depends on where you want to practice...not much diff between Bama's 29, Wake's 44, UNC's 38, and FSU's 51).

    Anyway, if we have any FSU law grads or people who are familiar with the school, all insight would be much appreciated. I guess for that matter, anyone with familiarity in law in the Gulf Coast/Carolinas would be very helpful, too! Thanks again.

    I graduated FSU Law in 2000 and have already paid off my loan, so don't be so afraid of the loans that it drives your decision. If you are sure you want to go to law school, choose the one that you feel most at home with. That's what I did (I had been accepted into UF but felt more comfortable with Tally) and I have never questioned my school selection.

    Now I do question thedecision to go to law school, but like most attorneys who say that, I really don't know what else I would be doing.

    My good looks and general awesomeness can only get me so far.

    aivlys

  • Law schools are all about what you want to do. I got into Marquette, Syracuse, Michigan St and Wayne State. If I wanted to be a big corporate lawyer, I probably would have wanted to go to Syracuse, but I want to be a Prosecutor, so the tuition hike was not worth and Wayne State is the least expensive and being in Detroit it helped me get some internships with the Wayne County prosecutors office, one of the biggest in the country.

    If you want to end up practicing in Florida, you should probably go to a Florida school. If you want to go into tax law, which it seems like from your post, you would probably want to look at where big time tax law firms are at that you would want to work for, and consider going to law school in that state. Also look more at tax law programs, which it seems you have. The overall rankings mean something, but focusing on what you want to do and researching from that angle is important too. Syracuse is (or was) rated higher than Wayne St but wanting to work as a prosecutor and probably in Michigan made Wayne St a much smarter choice for me.

    734Nole

  • If your LSAT and GPA are crazy good, go to FSU for the betterment of FSU (Law). If they are slightly low, go to the school giving you the most money. This is my response as an FSU fan, booster and alumnus but not an alumnus (or any relation to anyone) of the law school. Just things to think about. I do know that FSU has been gaining respect the last decade or so and being in the state capitol of Florida can't hurt but I have no idea how much that helps.

    Aren't there enough attorneys?

    tricknole

  • FSULaura said...

    Really depends on where you want to end up. FSU and UF, numbers wise, are neck and neck. FSU is doing really great things through the moot court and mock trial programs, and now that I'm out I can recognize the value of being part of them, so I would encourage current students to try out. If you're not going to a major market like New York, the pedigree of your degree is not as important. In SEC states, there will be SEC bias to a certain extent. Even in Florida, hiring partners are still getting used to FSU being such a quality program, but as the recent grads progress in the workplace, our reputation is growing.

    FSU COL has a lot of opportunities that other schools do not have (ahem, hogtown) by virtue of simply being in the capitol. You can go to Supreme Court oral arguments all the time, intern with the various government branches, etc.

    I know you don't know right now, but choice of program is largely dependent on what you want to be doing. I changed my mind twice during law school, and now am exploring my third practice area since getting out. I honestly would probably lean toward the full ride at Bama if all other things are roughly equal.

    My only real law school advice is don't do it, but nobody listens. So, my other twocents is to take all of the practical courses/clinics you can, even if you don't think you'll litigate. You can learn substance later, but technique, argument, objections, etc. is something you're not going to be taught as an associate. I spent 3 years doing transactional work and now litigate, and I have to spend nonbillable time observing trials in order to pick up a lot of those things.

    Laura, thanks for the detailed response! I'm pretty sure I want to be a lawyer. I've always enjoyed the sort of "analytical" and "logic-based" mindset if that makes sense.

    I actually attended Wharton (big banking feeder) for undergrad and was obviously heavily considering banking (before finding econ and finance to be the biggest bores on earth). I was thinking of becoming a sports agent and have interned at good sports agencies for two summers in Richmond, VA and NYC (HATED living in NYC, part of the reasoning I don't mind the more regional LSs...I want to be in the South again). I ended up focusing on marketing/legal studies concentrations at Wharton (you take a basic business curriculum and then four advanced courses in each of your concentrations). I took a few courses in legal studies taught by Penn law guys Wharton was borrowing that were more or less aimed at teaching businessmen law basics (employment law was one, entrepreneurial was another, sports law...Andrew Brandt on ESPN was my professor lol...really subtly funny guy who told great anecdotes...got some great insight on Brett Favre) I truly enjoyed the concepts we learned in class. I really like learning about the statutes and how they apply...how the courts interpret them and affect meaning, etc. I also took a priv wealth mgmt class and was actually really interested by the various methods they taught of shielding taxes and the like...and hence my stated interest in tax law.

    I think I do want to be a lawyer. Obv y'all are already there and I appreciate the warning haha...but I think this is what I want to do. I know LS will be really tough though haha.

    This post was edited by andy88c on 3/17/2012 at 5:58 AM

    andy88c

  • SmokinJoeP said...

    Not an FSU Law grad (I went to Michigan State for law school, George Washington for my LLM) but I would definitely recommend taking the $$$. All of the schools you mentioned are great schools and you will get the legal education you want at any of them. Having been to a top tier school and a second tier school I can tell you that they really aren't that different at all.

    Yeah I don't know if FSU is offering $ but they would obviously have to in order to be considered over the other schools ($ at the first two and Wake is promising $ after the first round of seat deposits are in, as they over-allocated during the fall).

    blounted- hahaha I've seen that before actually. It's really completely true. As I said in my previous post, I think this is the path I want to take, though. I do like law quite a bit and found the "business law" parts of business to be by far the most interesting. Then again, maybe compared to learning VBA in Excel as a requirement, anything is interesting. I actually paid attention and got good grades in those courses compared to my general studies, too...

    Notable- thanks for the advice. I have some close family friends who are lawyers I have spent some time in the office with for that exact purpose actually. Yeah can be pretty boring most of the day and you really have to enjoy the field you work in...ad nauseum. Also talked to a few friends who have paralegaled and are now in LS.

    4evaward- Yeah...the "flexibility" thing is big. If I'm choosing a school like Alabama, it'd be a commitment to stay around the Gulf Coast area, or perhaps Texas/Georgia (ATL), unless you finish very, very high in the class. If you're in the state of Alabama, they want to hear that you went to school in Bama. Heck, there's a level of trust there...even vs. way better schools, like an NYU. However, go to California and tell them you went to Alabama...they won't care at all. This is something I'm really considering right now. I started a bit late with applying and haven't taken visits beyond the VA area yet...prob flying down to Tuscaloosa at the end of the month for their admitted students weekend...Nashville in April. I think the visits will decide a lot, but I guess I wanted to hear from some people here, too.

    aivlys- Yeah, it's almost short-term to overvalue the $ being thrown at you, but it looks attractive. Visits I guess...I kind of want to go to law school in a smaller town (Philly sucks I'm still here this year; @ least today will be fun here though), but it's for the next three years and after that is where you start settling in, I think. So more region-thinking again I guess.

    734- Bama offers a JD then LLM thing for tax law. Not a very reputable tax law program, I don't think, though. UF and UM both have great tax law programs. I couldn't apply to either. I'm petty. I'd have to get an LLM after the JD, so I guess that almost favors best school available in business law-ish fields. I also enjoyed learning about bankruptcy proceedings at Wharton during entrep law actually. I'm a very strange person.

    trick- gpa's prob a little below fsu's median...i did well on my LSAT though.

    This post was edited by andy88c on 3/17/2012 at 6:24 AM

    andy88c

  • This is going around facebook/email today, so I thought it should be dropped in this thread too.

    Why You Shouldn’t Go To Law School | It's Up to You

    http://www.itsuptoyou.net/why-you-shouldnt-go-to-law-school/

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    FSULaura