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Problem is Levy wants no gun control, no taxes for mental institutions, he argues a lot, but provides ZERO feasible solutions.
Got any solutions yourself?
And I'm not saying I do, but to argue blindly without even considering other sides of an issue is stupidity itself.
I offered solutions, they just don't march lockstep w/ the leftist policies that got us here, hence "zero feasible solutions".
My ideal solution to gun control = go ahead and assume you can't keep them out of the hands of idiots.
Pass legislation requiring the major US gun/technology companies to work together to create some sort of RFID kill switch that that will temporary render a weapon useless if it comes within a certain proximity of the “proprietary kill switch” area (ie: schools, stadiums, any public locations with mass people)… Make this same kill switch disable the weapon permanently if it is tampered with in anyway.. Use hackers to make it as full-proof as possible. Make it a felony to tamper with it.
Pass legislation requiring every firearm in the United States to be equipped with said kill switch. Pass legislation requiring people to swap out their current firearms with the new RFID kill switch one… or be held to the same level of responsibly as the shooter…. if they own a gun that ever commits a crime.
Would it be defeatable? Absolutely, but the mental requirements for defeating it just need meet or exceed the mental threshold for being able to create your own gun from materials, with knowledge in mechanical engineering/physics/chemistry…. From materials you can pick up from the home depot.
In otherwords, these crazy bastards would be highly unlikely to have the mental acuity required to successfully achieve it… or they’d be a bigger threat with much higher level weapons.
Read my post quoted at the top of the page.
Your solution involves mass registration. Ain't happenin' Jack.
Also what about collectibles? Antiques? Etc..
Like it or not gun control is a political topic. Obama is the current president so how does mentioning his agenda in relation not have everything to do with the topic? Being conservative is no longer popular and I applaud Levy for giving his honest opinion and not sugar coating it for all the liberals on this board.
If you think it would stop at assault rifles you are naive. I assume all those against guns also support prohibition of alcohol and cigarettes as well. Second hand smoke is a proven killer and neither alcohol nor cigarettes serve a positive purpose besides money for the economy. Alcohol in the right hands will just kill the user over time, but can kill many others when you hop behind the wheel or beat your spouse/child in a drunk rage.
Ok I'm done for now.
You really think teachers want to be armed?
I find that unfeasible because the teaching profession requires a different mindset then that of police.
In theory it sounds good, but in practice, it won't work.
Besides, some knucklehead will steak the teacher's gun, shoot some kids, and we're back to square one.
So for those who don't support gun control (not bans, control), how do you propose we prevent another 20 6 year olds from being executed in a "SAFE" place? And you must state in your response whether you are a parent.
This is not an incident that is going to hurt less with time. Something, or many things, need to be done, from many angles.
No.... Registration is not required. You can do everything I listed without the need to associate RFID with an owner. The point is to stop them being used in public areas... not to track the users.
You say "aint hapennin' jack" .... like it's impossible. Gun owners better be willing to compromise on something like this, because while it may be "impossible" right now, if you measure the delta between how impossible it was 50 years ago... 40 yrs... 30 yrs... and so on.... It is in fact becoming more and more possible every single day that passes.
The supreme court can easily change it's interpretation of the bill of rights...there are lots of precedents of this happening. You either compromise now, or face the wrath of knee-jerk...when someone goes into a elementary school with a m16 and the toll is in tripple digits
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How about background checks for the gun owner and every live-in, close proximity relative?
I don't know anything about guns, they scare the living crap out of me. In college, my girlfriend taught in Bainbridge Ga, one of her 10 yo students was in the home of another 10 yo student, he wasn't supposed to have anyone over, he got caught, told his friend he got him in trouble, shot his arm off with a shotgun.
I understand/respect anyone that has a pistol/revolver hidden to protect themselves. I have NO IDEA why anyone not wanting to assault/kill a large group of people needs an assault rifle.
EARN YOUR SPEAR! AT WORK, IN SCHOOL, IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD! SHOW OUR RIVALS WHAT BEING A SEMINOLE IS ALL ABOUT. EARN IT! EVERY-SINGLE-DAY!
It's a good idea, but very hard to enforce.
I don't know Laura.
I don't have an answer. And I'm not a gun control proponent, nor anti-gun.
I want to say tougher sentences, but that doesn't work since they kill themselves. Not a deterrent.
More cops? Requires more money, people don't want to pay for this or mental health (not that it helps everyone).
Tougher gun laws? They'll just make pipe bombs out of household material. Timothy McVeigh.
Consistently involved parents can make a difference, but with single parent households proliferating, and everyone having to work, that isn't happening.
Arm everyone and hope that every minor conflict doesn't escalate to murder? My guess is we'll see more violence then ever before.
Again, I don't know.
I like the idea, but here is the issue.
The government can then anytime it wishes, disarm everyone by installing Kill switch triggers everywhere.
In fact, criminals who tamper and bypass the switches can incapacitate every homeowner and make the robbery a piece of cake.
Just looking for holes in every plan to see if it's really feasible, not arguing.
Not a parent. That doesn't matter though. If guns were removed from the Earth (impossible) then what stops someone from strapping a bomb to themselves and walking into a school and leveling it? Maybe it would have been better if he walked in with a sword hidden under his jacket, locked the class door and starting hacking away. I'd much rather some nut slice me open than kill me with a gun.. wait no I wouldn't.
Administer it independently by an organization comprised of people from all interests... as opposed to by the government.
This is what the hackers are for... you can make the switches linked to GPS and disable them if they are moved... or... use existing cell phone towers... Either way, you don't need a full proof system, that is impossible and would cost far too much.
You just need a system that is complex enough that anyone who could defeat it would be better off making money using their intelligence/killing people through other more advanced methods.
Make the system open source and challenge people to break it...offer rewards... it will evolve into something that is insanely difficult to crack...we've already seen the power of open source.... When you put tens of thousands of the most intelligent engineers on building a better mouse-trap, the trap that floats to the top is going to be enough to keep the vast majority of people safe.
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Obama hasn't legislated anything. The ban on assault rifles was over in 04 and Obama hasn't put anything in place or tried to get it reinstated. He's mentioning it now, as are a lot of legislators.
You have a lot of A+ rated NRA Pro Gun legislators who are currently rethinking their positions.
I think your opinion will also change once you have kids.
"...just played physical football. That's Florida State football. That's the standard from now on! It never goes back!" - Jimbo Fisher
Furthermore, the US government is already in possession of tons of military tech that are de-facto kill switches on ours guns.
They can nuke us, shoot us from drones, shoot us from airplanes, shoot us with bigger more advanced guns, etc,etc.... They pretty much can mow through us if they decide to..
Your point is that it makes it easier for the government to turn against the people.... My argument is, if it ever get to that point again, we're all screwed either way. Our military has advanced beyond the point where citizens can defeat it through guns. We would have to be willing to lower our military might, in order to make it where citizens were "balancing the power" against the military/government with handguns/rifles.
You're crossing the line from conservative to right wing extremism.
Being conservative has nothing to do with with being a nut job.
The fact that you and levy assume everyone that doesn't agree to your views is a "liberal on this board", shows me you're a stubborn, inflexible individual, a far cry from a conservative.
Conservative are slow in action, methodical, calculating, and thorough researchers prior to making a decision.
If this incident gives you no reason to pause, and reconsider everything you believe in, you're just crazy, not conservative.
I didn't want to sugar coat it for you either.
Excellent points, and you're correct.
I think you're on to something.
This episode only serves to steel my resolve regarding my right to have access to firearms. One of the drawbacks to liberty is the suffering people who abuse it.
Over the history of man governments have killed millions upon millions while the gun free zone evil doer no more than a couple hundred. Rather than addressing some real changes, such as actually defending one's self which would be the self-reliant American thing, our leaders decide to use this chance to strip away a most basic right.
So far as re-thinking my position is concerned I already have: my guns are my redline. Period.
And yes I have 3 yr old
Instead of kill switch, I'm thinking just a passive RFID technology, that allows for notification if someone gets within X number of feet within a target. The engineering in the kill switch is probably a long way from being practical...
Think of it like this... a non active tracking system, where you are transmitting something and can be tracked and requires a power source.... a passive system, would only be tracked if you come with a certain distance of public locations.... Something that makes guns stick out like body heat, on an infrared camera. Something like a security sticker on merchandise in stores.
If you engineered it well, you could make it so it would be extremely difficult to disable the passive tracking WITHOUT disabling the gun completely.
This would also give you the ability to go back and retro-fit older guns... so people can still keep them for collecting purposes, while security is not compromised.
So... jackass pulls up to school... school is immediately notified that someone carries gun on site... alarm sound, doors are locked, police is immediately dispatched... the engineering is in making the school resistant enough to fend off a jackass long enough until police got there.
Same premise with malls and stadiums... you carry it on the premise, police are immediately dispatched to track you down and disarm.
I think I can make the argument that someones right to know someone has a gun on them is just as important as the other persons right to carry a gun.
We don't have to have it one way or the other... if we can send a man to the moon and beam video around the world from the sky, we can engineer a solution that allows you to keep your guns, while also minimizing the risk others have to face if a nutcase gains control of said gun.
At least I kept my post civil and didn't stoop to questioning individual poster's character.
Your post is interesting though. My political views aren't dictated by whether I bubble in "D", "R", or "NP". Part of the problem with this country is people cling to a political party like they do their favorite college team. 2 elections ago, I didn't want either candidate to win, but that's another topic.
Your 2nd line is correct, though random.
I don't speak for Levy, I simply appreciate him defending his views even though they are contrary to the majority of posters in this thread. To then call me stubborn is very uncalled for and I thought that kind of stuff wasn't permitted on the board but I'm not a mod.
You description of conservatives is interesting. Not sure what else to say, but I got a laugh out of that one.
If every disaster makes you reconsider everything you believe then maybe you should be more stubborn. Are you suggesting that people shouldn't have firm beliefs? That's is possibly the worst thing I've read in this thread.
You certainly didn't sugar coat it though. You came out, criticized me, then generalized an entire group of people, then suggested that I'm crazy. Thanks for reminding me why I rarely come back to this board.
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