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Bizarre story about former Seminole LeRoy Butler, who said a church told him he couldn't speak after tweeting a congratulations to Jason Collins ...
Isn't it ironic that many church people are OK with guns that can sometimes kill creatures but are afraid of a penis that can sometimes create creatures.
This post was edited by Nashnole 11 months ago
Good for Leroy Butler. Well done.
Not really a thread for a sports board IMO it should be deleted.
2 sports figures. One even played for FSU. I think it meets the test.
if that is the church's position to not allow someone to speak because he appears to be in support of a way of life they oppose, then that is their decision and we should all respect that.
It's hilarious that people selectively choose their definition of being close-minded. It always applies to "THEM" and never "me".
Some people forget they can be as close minded as those they call close minded. Interesting and ironic, isn't it?
This post was edited by WRobins 11 months ago
Ya wrong board IMO. Just a political story that may get out of hand.
I applaud the church for making this decision especially knowing the negative publicity it would generate.
Christo omnino nihil praeponere
A penis won't create a creature from the way Collins would use it.Maybe Leroy should just worry about his hair salons in Jax.
I agree. Take this over to the OTR Board. I have a lot more to say about this, but THIS Board is for football, and the OTR Board is for everything else.
meh. A church disapproves of gay people, not exactly shocking news.
America is an interesting place. I imagine in many areas, land-wise it's probably the majority, being gay ins't accepted. Meanwhile, in NYC we're accepting of pretty much everything sans bad fashion. Being homophobic in NYC is about as accepted as being gay in the 'deep south'. But, we're one country, we share laws, policy, sports teams, military, culture, language, and pride - to name a few.
I think it speaks to our greatness, that we can be so diverse and still remain united against our enemies. I mean, we have plenty of flaws, and some Americans make me embarrassed to claim them as fellow countrymen. Still, I've lived abroad. If it were better, I'd still be there. And, when I travel and people find out I live in NYC, they're always jealous.
2 things that will always be true. (a) We're so large that massive diversity of opinion (and, frankly, ignorance on both extremes) is always going to exist. (b) The media is always going to use that as a story to draw ratings.
I mean, really, is anyone's life really changed by Butler not speaking at a church? Why is that news worthy? Because a church has a problem with gay people? Again, why is that news worthy?
Having also lived in NYC, I can say with no equivocation that it is not newsworthy there, except perhaps as an object of mirth. However, it is newsworthy in the hinterlands. Organized religion does not allow for the efficacy of other tribes. Again, it's the greatest scam ever devised and perpetrated on mankind.
Changed my mind, don't want to wade in these waters.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by googolplex 11 months ago
This is exactly why if I stepped foot in a church, I'd instantly burn to death.
/Dammit boy, I know you hate hot dogs, but all the normal kids like hot dogs... so by god, your going to eat them, and like them too!
Good for Leroy. I don't agree with what the church did, but it is their church and was within their rights.
I hope that within my lifetime gay rights become a non-issue. I seriously have yet to meet an openly gay person I didn't like. And I don't like many people.
It was within their rights. But with that said, their employers should have a right to dissassociate themselves from them, if they choose to.
By all appearances, we are quickly approaching the point where companies can legally fire you for publicly associating yourself with hate-groups, even under the guise of "freedom of religion" or "freedom of speech". I damn sure don't want to have to defend a discrimination lawsuit, where one of my managers have publicly stated they are against a group, but then turn around and explain that they don't actual practice that in my workforce, since it is against the law.
Attend a public "religious" or "free speech" rally that covers anti-semitic/KKK rally/anti-women, and you have pretty much turned your resignation in with most companies. It will not be long before churches who are anti-gay carry the same "hate group" label as the rest of these organizations.
Personally, I'm 100% OK with this.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by FsuFanForever 11 months ago
It is their church and it is their right.
However, let there be no further debate why there must be separation of church and state.
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