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Grammatically, it is OK to say "...and him" or "him and..."
If you would normally say, "I'm going to talk to him," but you're also going to be talking to his dad, you would say "I'm going to talk to him and his dad."
You don't have to change the pronoun "him" to "he" just because there's another person you're talking to. You don't have to say, "I'm going to talk to he and his dad."
I'd say 95% of people change the "him" to "he" in this case, including a majority of journalists. The only sports commentator I've ever heard get it right is the brainy Bob Costas.
But I promise you, it's OK to say "him and..." whenever you'd say just "him" for a singular pronoun.
Getting this wrong is now so common that it actually kind of sounds funny when people get it right.
I had to get this off my chest. Thanks.
Ain't nothing wrong with this post.
The poster formerly known as 31-7. Understood by few, known by many, loved by all.
Good grammar is a hallmark of intelligence and attention to detail. I thought it was mostly extinct. Was even trying to learn Ebonics. Anybody remember that?
1. A poor excuse for a failure to grasp the basics of english. When in doubt, throw an "izzle" sound in the middle of any word of just string random thoughts together and insinuate that they actually mean something. When backed into a corner, you can always claim that it has something to do with a sort of symbolism or is a defining trait that makes your race great, versus own up to the fact that it is essentially laziness at it's finest.
2. The language of the gangstas.
Ebonics: "Yo G, you frontin me?"
English: "Excuse me, my peer, are you attempting to influence me to engage in a violent action with you?"
Ebonics: "You gots to git those Benjamins so you cin git dat bling-bling fo yo ride"
English: "You need to get money so that you can get expensive accessories for your car."
I'm not too good at it yet, but still tryin'!
Pretty sure you could be a stud professor at duh U. They really could use the help.
Nash you forgot to add "Word to ya mutha!!" After all of those
I'm so glad to have another member of the grammar police in the community. Serious, not sarcasm.
I believe "whip" is the preferred term for "car".
~~If you don't stop that cryin', I'll give you something to cry about! (Usually resulted in a spanking, making us cry more)
~~If a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass ahoppin. (resulted from our saying IF too much)
~~Close that NEWmonia hole. (close the window)
~~Your ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower! (usually followed by: "Go get me a switch.")
~~Don't you make eyes at me, boy! (if we rolled our eyes)
~~On opinions: "Opinions are like assholes, some are just louder and smellier than others."
He's so clumsy he'd trip over a cordless phone.
He's about as handy as a back pocket on a shirt.
That's about as useful as a trap door on a canoe.
He couldn't carry a tune if he had a bucket with a lid on it.
She was so tall she could hunt geese with a rake.
She was so tall if she fell down she would be halfway home.
He was so fat it was easier to go over top of him than around him.
It happened faster than a knife fight in a phone booth.
NO!! I AM NOT FALLING ASLEEP!! I was just checking for holes in my eyelids.
And one Uncle Nash used, when asked if he could play the guitar (this with him holding one in his hand strumming jazz chords): "Naw, I couldn't play dead in a Western."
Well, I guess it's better to be a smart ess, than a dumb ess.
I'm going to get out of this thread before i get gramatckley curreckted.
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