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My heart goes out.
As someone who spent many years working at an elementary school, after 9/11, I never figured out why we didn't have resource officers placed at elementary schools.
Our schools are so vulnerable. :-(
Twenty-seven people are dead including 14 children after a gunman opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, CBS News has confirmed. News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY
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My thoughts and prayers go out to all of those affected by this tragedy
"Your kids are not safe anywhere."
May the Lord please wrap these families in warmth and compassion.
My deepest condolences.
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Want to blame someone, but it does no good.
Want to fix something, but there is very little that can be fixed.
We've got to re-evaluate how we treat/handle/diagnose mental illness in America. I can think of a handful of times I've interacted with someone who was clearly "not all there", and just went on about my day, avoiding them and hoping they wouldn't interupt me.... sometimes they present themselves as normal and peaceful... then other times, something just snaps..... But very rarely do these things happen randomly, by someone who was living a perfectly happy life, without showing signs... (See Colorado movie shooting, See Columbine, etc.)
Ignoring these people and hoping they don't bother you = not the answer. We do not have an answer currently, and unless we create one... these types of occurences are going to become more and more common.
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First thing I did was google the city to see how close it is to where my daughter is living.
A little too close for comfort.
Fix what though? mental illness? there were two of them. Sounds like they were desensitized to me.
I think we need to rethink cruel and unusual punishment.
It ought to be allowed for cruel and unusual crimes.
Yeah, I'm pissed off.
In North Korea they have something called a 3 generation rule that basically says if you commit a crime, especially one like this, you go to prison, your parents go to prison, and your children go to prison.
**cough** Gun Control **cough**
You really think gun control would have stopped these freaks?
I don't own any guns, but that is tantamount to saying "Let's outlaw cars so those with suspended licenses don't drink and drive."
Think about it. They would have made pipe bombs.
Yes I do, he might have killed one, maybe 2, without a gun, not 18. If it saves 1 person's life it's worth it.
Yeah b/c this BS always happens at gun shows, hunting camps, ranges and everywhere else the majority of the potential targets are armed.
I carry EVERYWHERE, including sundays at the church house. Anywhere there is a gathering of unarmed people there is a chance of this crap occurring.
So sad for all those children and the families, horrific. The only answer I have is to arm yourself and train accordingly b/c you only have yourself to rely on. And damned sure don't let this be a pre-text for surrendering our 2A rights.
Yes more guns are the answer.
For what it's worth, I don't see this as a gun problem... They make it more efficient for crazy people, but really a nut case with a sword/baseball bat can be pretty deadly at an elementary school.
There may have been 2, but when the backstory comes out on these 2 POS's you can bank there will be plenty of signs and plenty of opportunity for a more effective system to catch these POS's in the net... without compromising everyone elses freedom/liberty.
Someone knew these bastards were crazy. I've yet to see one of these stories unfold without clear signs of blinking and shining CRAZY.... and several family member/friends/accquantences sitting idle...
Why? You don't call the police to crazy people. You call the police when someone is breaking the law. In America, you ignore crazy
Why does gun control have to mean giving up our 2nd amendment right? There's no reason that it should not be difficult to qualify for the purchase of these kinds of weapons. Black market may always exist but that doesn't mean we ignore the problem. I don't know what the answer is but these guys should not have had guns. period.
Such a sad story but gun control would not have deterred this horrific event. The evidence is overwhelming that gun control actually encourages more crimes and murders not stop it. I've linked an article (yes it's from Fox News but there are countless others) that shows what happened in Chicago and DC last year when they lift their gun ban.
Getting rid of guns only empowers the thieves, murderers, and government.
Newly released data for Chicago shows that, as in Washington, murder and gun crime rates didn't rise after the Supreme Court struck down gun control laws in those cities. In fact, the rates have fallen much more than the national crime rate.
Guns are illegal in Japan, last year there were 5 people killed by guns in Japan.
Btw if you post something from FOX News I can't take you seriously.
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It's not nearly as simple as comparing that.
Our culture is night and day difference. The stuff we watch on tv + music we listen + way we interact with family..... societal norms aren't even comparable.
Stupid parents create kids, who are exposed to things far too early, which lays waste to a solid mental framework. I've had conversations with elementary school kids who were watching Dexter/The Dark Knight with their parents... and thought it was NORMAL. And while I'm sure 95% of kids can weather it and turn out perfectly OK, there are going to be examples of out-liers, who don't.
The flip side of this coin -- let me know when you feel comfortable with the governent stepping in and removing the freedoms which create this cycle. Very, very, very complex issues.
I would welcome it.
Timothy McVeigh, from Wikipedia
McVeigh was a registered Republican when he lived in Buffalo, New York in the 1980s, and had a membership in the National Rifle Association while in the military, but voted for Libertarian Party candidate, Harry Browne, in the 1996 presidential elections. McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic. During his childhood, he and his father attended Mass regularly. McVeigh was confirmed at the Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York, in 1985. In a 1996 interview, McVeigh professed belief in "a God", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion. In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying as agnostic. Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.
Why? I watch all news coverage then I think for myself to decide on an issue. Don't be afraid to open your mind and think for yourself.
I won't side step your point as you did with mine. Japan gun murders are low but that did not stop the other murders to occur. In Japan they also have capital punishment, which I'm don't fully support (see I'm not a "right-wing" crazy as you prob think). So it might be a possibility that capital punishment has a key role in the equation for Japan's low murder rate.
I hope everyone keeps this dialogue civil bc I love these discussions and it is a way to hear other people's thoughts and opinions. Maybe, just maybe, we might learn from each other.
Really? The anti gun laws aren't the reason for the low shooting rate. OK
Do a little research involving factual data and you will see the yes more guns are the answer. Check out FSU's very own Dr. Gary Kleck and this is exactly what he found to be true.
I'm all for qualifying and arming teachers. On college campuses cc should be encouraged. An armed society is a polite society.
Laura's view on "assault weapons" fails to account for the founding father's intent regarding the 2A. The right to bear arms has nothing to do w/ sporting pursuits and everything to do w/ the peoples' ability to have equal arms to resist tyrannical government. BTW tyrannical governments have offed millions, while loser scumbag fish in a barrel shooters a couple hundred. Whom should I fear most?
I know emotions are high because of what happened... But we should probably save these debates for another day.
The best thing that we can currently do is rememeber how limited our time is here (and how every day is a gift) .. and spend the remainder of the day appreciating the loved ones that are in our lives. Whenever you forget how precious your kids/loved ones are or start to take life for granted, try to remember how those 27 people's families are feeling right now.
You need to actually read my post. I did not say anything to what you are referring to.
Let me say it another way for you to understand. Japan has a low murder rate with the vast majority of murders being something other than gun related. So the wrongdoers are finding a different way in committing the murder.
So we should all be able to have tanks and nukes too, because that's what a tyrannical gov't has? I'm not trying to be an ass, but how far is that intent supposed to be carried? This is not a discussion I engage in frequently, and I'm curious to hear arguments on both sides.
At the moment, I have far greater fear of some sick f#%^ randomly taking my children than I do of government tyranny.
What a terrible, terrible thing to happen. And now I'm supposed to go to a party. Humbug.
That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
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