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Wow, harsh article on Trickett

  • Cuthbert said...

    Jimbo does not, and I don't know how much of it to apportion to Trickett. There are a number of factors, as you know and willfully ignore.

    1. Who decides who to offer and when? 2. Who recruits the OL in areas where RT is not assigned? 3. What type of prospect are we going after? 4. How many scholarships is the position accorded?

    I know that since Jimbo took the reigns, we have recruited more, bigger, and higher quality linemen and targeted them earlier in the process. Who knows how much input RT has. Maybe 100%. Maybe 10%. I have no idea.

    I do know RT is assigned with training the OL, and he has done a mediocre job at that overall, IMO. He has done a great job getting minimum level production out of players that should not be playing. He has also done a very good job with some OL overall. He has failed to retain and properly succession plan badly. Last year, he gets a mulligan because it's impossible to rate his performance given the injuries. However, I also think his coaching style may relate closely with head and neck injuries.

    Will elite players come play for Trickett? not consistently.

    That is the overriding problem. not good enough Jimmies and Joes. It is lack of elite talent across the ol and in each class.

    who is at fault? well they won't come play for Trickett. so it is really a chickjen or egg quesiton. Is Trickett at fault because players won't come play for him or is Jimbo at fault for keeping him?

    Triuckett has had 5 classes. If this was not going to be a systemic problem would have been corrected by now.

    Is Glauser elite? Not according t1o the analysis I have seen. He may play some next year. Would he play at a program with an elite ol?

    Watson? we have no idea how good he will or won't be at FSU. He has played for 4 months. Farenkrug was supposed to be all world and we see how that is going right now.

    It is quite a shock: the DL gets better recruits and IS better than the ol. who would have reached that conclusion? Everyone but the Trickites.

    we needed 2 ol commits last year and could not get one elite player to commit. I know trickites, its because we don't want elite ol prospects at FSU.

    TNOLE27 ●

  • Tnole I agree with you most of the time but doing the whole Novanoles thing will only ever get you down votes and freak outs.

    fsufsu ●

  • fsufsu said...

    Tnole I agree with you most of the time but doing the whole Novanoles thing will only ever get you down votes and freak outs.

    For someone who definitely gives the most sh*ts about downvotes on this site he sure as hell set himself up for them. TNole are you glutton for punishment?

    This post was edited by Mass Nole on 4/17/2012 at 4:10 PM

    Mass Nole

  • fsufsu: I hope you're right, and you may be.

    Actually, I keep going back to my fears about the source of this manhandling. I keep being afraid it's the system. I keep being afraid we run some kind of system where all 5 guys can execute competent blocks, and still there's nowhere for the running back to go.

    Anyway, I place my hopes in my own lack of expertise. It looked a lot like the same team I saw last year, but as you say, things can happen between now and then. I too can't wait for Menelik Watson.

    googolplex

  • I wouldn't put too much hope in Watson. His year will be 2013. I anticipate Stork starting at RT and hopefully Watson is ready to take over and play well if Stork goes down later in the year. Watson will be so raw it'll be amazing when he shows up.

    fsufsu ●

  • googolplex said...

    fsufsu: I hope you're right, and you may be.

    Actually, I keep going back to my fears about the source of this manhandling. I keep being afraid it's the system. I keep being afraid we run some kind of system where all 5 guys can execute competent blocks, and still there's nowhere for the running back to go.

    Anyway, I place my hopes in my own lack of expertise. It looked a lot like the same team I saw last year, but as you say, things can happen between now and then. I too can't wait for Menelik Watson.

    Ever heard of a run blitz? or even stacking the box? There are plays where all 5 guys can make competent blocks and still not have a hole...that's just football.

    The important thing is to set it up properly so you can make them pay for it down the line if they cheat towards the run.

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  • TNOLE27 said...

    Will elite players come play for Trickett? not consistently.

    That is the overriding problem. not good enough Jimmies and Joes. It is lack of elite talent across the ol and in each class.

    who is at fault? well they won't come play for Trickett. so it is really a chickjen or egg quesiton. Is Trickett at fault because players won't come play for him or is Jimbo at fault for keeping him?

    Triuckett has had 5 classes. If this was not going to be a systemic problem would have been corrected by now.

    Is Glauser elite? Not according t1o the analysis I have seen. He may play some next year. Would he play at a program with an elite ol?

    Watson? we have no idea how good he will or won't be at FSU. He has played for 4 months. Farenkrug was supposed to be all world and we see how that is going right now.

    It is quite a shock: the DL gets better recruits and IS better than the ol. who would have reached that conclusion? Everyone but the Trickites.

    we needed 2 ol commits last year and could not get one elite player to commit. I know trickites, its because we don't want elite ol prospects at FSU.

    The fact that you have created a class of persons ("Trickites") shows you have problems. Who are these "Trickites" you always refer to? Do you even see anyone saying they are completely content with the OL or the job Trickett is doing? I think everyone is in "wait and see" mode.

    This post was edited by Cuthbert on 4/17/2012 at 7:35 PM

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • TNOLE27 said...

    Will elite players come play for Trickett? not consistently.

    That is the overriding problem. not good enough Jimmies and Joes. It is lack of elite talent across the ol and in each class.

    who is at fault? well they won't come play for Trickett. so it is really a chickjen or egg quesiton. Is Trickett at fault because players won't come play for him or is Jimbo at fault for keeping him?

    Triuckett has had 5 classes. If this was not going to be a systemic problem would have been corrected by now.

    Is Glauser elite? Not according t1o the analysis I have seen. He may play some next year. Would he play at a program with an elite ol?

    Watson? we have no idea how good he will or won't be at FSU. He has played for 4 months. Farenkrug was supposed to be all world and we see how that is going right now.

    It is quite a shock: the DL gets better recruits and IS better than the ol. who would have reached that conclusion? Everyone but the Trickites.

    we needed 2 ol commits last year and could not get one elite player to commit. I know trickites, its because we don't want elite ol prospects at FSU.

    By the way, you're flat out wrong with regard to elite players--and I'm not even really defending RT.

    From the past 3 classes we have a consensus top 5 tackle on the roster, and a consensus top 20 guard. We have the consensus top JUCO OG (despite his struggles last year he was still highly regarded) and two top 5 JUCO OT's. That doesn't include Tre Jackson, who is a bona fide stud in waiting.

    We also have a top 5 tackle committed, and lead for another top 10 tackle. We are in the top 2-3 for the nation's top OT. We lead for another 4 star and one of the top OL in the state.

    The prospects are on a serious upswing lately. So, add 'lazy' to the list of problems with your arguments. C'mon man. I'm trying to help you be a productive member of this online community. Just let this OL stuff go for now.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • Cuthbert said...

    The fact that you have created a class of persons ("Trickites") shows you have problems. Who are these "Trickites" you always refer to? Do you even see anyone saying they are completely content with the OL or the job Trickett is doing? I think everyone is in "wait and see" mode.

    The trickites are the posters who post blindly in favor of trickett and are the typical down voters because very few Trickites can defend their reasoning.

    Trickites is an appropriate term because there is no logical discussion with them. I have yet to see ONE person post one cogent thought about why the dl talent is so vastly superior to the ol talent that isn't because of Trickett.

    You may think having inferior talent on the ol (as compared to the dl) is worth the price of having Trickett on the sidelines. I disagree. I think Trickett is an above avg ol coach that gets (as compared tot he rest of the talent at fsu) abysmal talent to play for him.

    You say matias, i say Snider, you say hart, I say Sanderson , you say... You get the point-not elite top to bottom by any stretch of the imagination.

    Here is the 64k question. Which elite team would trade ol's with us-not one.

    How many avg teams would trade their ol's with us-there may be a few but I can't think of one right now.

    how many teams would switch dl's with us-118. yes, all of them

    so we know what is possible here. It is time we question why we are not realizing it on the ol.

    This post was edited by TNOLE27 on 4/17/2012 at 8:31 PM

    TNOLE27 ●

  • Damn you're obnoxious about this TNole

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 4/17/2012 at 9:06 PM

    fsufsu ●

  • fsufsu said...

    Damn you're obnoxious about this TNole

    Just baffled

    Mass Nole

  • I've met RT and honestly, if i were being recruited by him I'd be honored. However, I noticed a change in his coaching style when BB departed and don't know what caused it. I used to get a kick out of him on the sidelines screaming at players and players scared $hitless to come out of their stance. I haven't seen that fire in him in the last 2 seasons. Aside from Clint coming, did something change that made him ease up? I'm a Trickett fan but have noticed a change in his coaching style.

    This post was edited by DAKOTANOLE on 4/17/2012 at 10:04 PM

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  • fsufsu said...

    I wouldn't put too much hope in Watson. His year will be 2013. I anticipate Stork starting at RT and hopefully Watson is ready to take over and play well if Stork goes down later in the year. Watson will be so raw it'll be amazing when he shows up.

    Agreed, I quit getting excited about "can't miss" 1st year guys a while back. That being said, and I'm not the complete recruitnik, I have never seen an OL as big that gets to the second level as quickly as him. I mean, damn the lb'r has hardly got out of his stance on some of those plays before he his ska-rewed.

    Them tools you can't teach, but I'm w/ you on it being a tad before he is a staple.

    levynole ●

  • didn't read thread. Offense needs to be average to above average. Defense, play to the ability it can and just wow at what will happen

    mj1701a

  • mj1701a said...

    didn't read thread. Offense needs to be average to above average. Defense, play to the ability it can and just wow at what will happen

    with an avg ol we play for the mnc this year. let's hope it can improve to avg.

    TNOLE27 ●

  • Anyone who takes the spring game for more than it is might undeservingly criticize. The key to spring games are to take a closer look at certain matchups for example: Cam vs Brandon. Jimbo was not using the same offensive strategy that will be used during the season in addition to a long list of injured players that did not participate. Look closely at some of the positives from the spring game like Cam holding his own, Telvin's play, O'Leary and Hicks, etc.

    This post was edited by DTackett on 4/18/2012 at 4:21 PM

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  • It is also wrong to take the spring game amd make assumption that the ol has improved as well. That assumption was made last year it it turned out to be the completely wrong assumption. We won't have the answer until the fall.

    TNOLE27 ●

  • I don't know anyone who saw the OL in the spring game last year and thought that it was improved from the year before.

    dreClark

  • dreClark said...

    I don't know anyone who saw the OL in the spring game last year and thought that it was improved from the year before.

    agreed

    I've watched this year's version 4 times now, and twice have paid particular attention to our OL, with Canolee's breakdown to hand for reference.

    Overall........................improvement. There are still things to work up, but clear reasoning sez: they were going against arguably the best set of DL's in the nation, and for sure, just like any other OL, are gonna get beat some. They did some good things IMO. Is there room for improvement - you betcha!

    Is Trickett perfect. No. Is his OL, perfect, no. However, he's my guy, as folks I've spoken with about him, that actually coach tackle football and not just look at it, say he's one of the best in the business at any level.

    So, go ahead. Bash away, bash away, bash away all!

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    Nashnole ●

  • dreClark said...

    I don't know anyone who saw the OL in the spring game last year and thought that it was improved from the year before.

    Agreed. Remember thinking last year's OL was getting destroyed at the G&G game but chalked it up to missing so many players. Many of those missing never really returned.

    This year I actually saw really positive things individually from the projected starters.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • Cuthbert said...

    Agreed. Remember thinking last year's OL was getting destroyed at the G&G game but chalked it up to missing so many players. Many of those missing never really returned.

    This year I actually saw really positive things individually from the projected starters.

    you are correct about last spring. However, there were assumptions made that were wrong. This year we looked a bit better. Does that mean we will be better in the fall?

    We really don't know one way or the other.

    TNOLE27 ●

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