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What the heck is Muschamp selling?

  • fsucb400 said...

    That program is garbage right now yet they seem to be out-recruiting us. Out of the guys we're both heavily involved with we got Fowler, while they Taylor, Poole, and Maye and appear to be in much better shape than us for Howard, Agholor and Harvey-Clemons. I hope our coaches have some tricks up there sleeves between now and Signing Day because it appears our recruiting has kind of come to a halt where we're just hoping to hang on to our commits while it looks like they will close like gangbusters. It's kind of disturbing.

    No, they aren't out recruiting you guys, y'all are doing a great job. That D Line is gonna be sick for the next several years. Kudos to you all.

    miaheat333

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  • fsukum said...

    You can disagree, but you would be wrong.

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    First of all, UF's first black player ever was in 1969. Bear Bryant wasn't the first to integrate, Kentucky was I believe, but he surely got the best African-Americans.

    2nd, how many championships did FSU win before Bowden? From 1969 UF has had maybe 2 losing seasons, 3 championships, and multiple conference championships, and a few heisman trophy winners.

    I definitely will take that mediocrity.

    CRgator

  • 386gator said...

    Haaaa this is great, yall have an entire thread devoted to UF..HOW NICE!!!! I understand yall a little worried with how well Muschamp is doin in recruting but DAMN... Yall sound like a bunch of 7 yr old girls that had their candy takin away from them....

    You from Deland?

    InMyLifetimeFSU

  • CRgator said...

    First of all, UF's first black player ever was in 1969. Bear Bryant wasn't the first to integrate, Kentucky was I believe, but he surely got the best African-Americans.

    2nd, how many championships did FSU win before Bowden? From 1969 UF has had maybe 2 losing seasons, 3 championships, and multiple conference championships, and a few heisman trophy winners.

    I definitely will take that mediocrity.

    I stand by my statement. You can twist your argument as you wish.

    This post has been edited 6 times, most recently by fsukum on 1/6/2012 at 10:41 PM

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  • fsukum said...

    I stand by my statement. You twist your argument as you wish.

    Hey, I respect your opinion. UF doesn't have the tradition that FSU has.

    But we have proven that we can win championships with multiple coaches.

    So twist it however you want. FSU has thrived under one coach. UF has turned the tables with 3 coaches, counting Pell, while winning 'ships with 2 of them.

    College football is the most cyclical and evolving sport on earth. If you pay attention to the list of UF's records you posted you would notice that we got better and better. That's not the Mark of a "bad" program. Of course that's just my opinion.

    CRgator

  • Food for thought:

    FSU has a considerably higher winning percentage than UF does all-time and only has 195 less wins in their history despite playing 43 less seasons and nearly 400 less games.

    Bobby Bowden had more 10-win seasons than UF has in their entire history (18 versus 12) and nearly had more 10-win seasons in the 1990s than UF has in their history (12 versus 10).

    For as long as UF has been around (twice as long as FSU), their lack success--comparatively--is astonishing. UF didn't join the elite until after FSU did---and even then, struggled to beat FSU (5-8-1).

    FSU has more conference titles (15 vs. 7) and until recently (2006), had more national championships---which is amazing considering your 43 year head start.

    This post was edited by fsukum on 1/6/2012 at 10:48 PM

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  • CRgator said...

    FSU has thrived under one coach.

    Like I said, twist it as you wish.

    That one coach accounted for 45% of FSU's total seasons and accounted for arguably more success, in 27 years, than UF has had in it's 104 year history. UF would be lucky to have a similar run of success by one coach.

    Pell cheated his way to success. Your success lies in the hands of Spurrier--who struggled to beat FSU--and a 3 year run by Meyer; that's is it. For 104 years of playing football, that is pretty poor.

    This post was edited by fsukum on 1/6/2012 at 10:50 PM

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  • fsukum said...

    Like I said, twist it as you wish.

    That one coach accounted for 45% of FSU's total seasons and accounted for arguably more success, in 27 years, than UF has had in it's 104 year history. UF would be lucky to have a similar run of success by one coach.

    Pell cheated his way to success. Your success lies in the hands of Spurrier--who struggled to beat FSU--and a 3 year run by Meyer; that's is it. For 104 years of playing football, that is pretty poor.

    Well if you think that's poor then that's your opinion.

    Bowden was a great great coach. But, I could spin it and say: Meyer won 2 championships at UF in 6 yrs. Bowden won 2 in 30. You see how that works?

    I'm definitely not gonna compare those two coaches. But, you keep spewing out these numbers. Well don't forget the main numbers, 3-2.

    Those 104 yrs you keep talking about were started with FSU players that were pretty much forced to play for UF iirc. So that argument means nothing to me.

    Like I said football is a fast evolving sport. I don't care how long it took for UF to catch-up-to-date, we did it.

    Michigan is the alltime leader in wins were you proclaiming them to be the best program the last decade? What about ND?

    CRgator

  • It is a privilege to have one coach do so well for so long rather than have coaches make up stories about health or take other jobs only to come back and play against you.

    Your attempt to spin away from that is pathetic.

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  • CRgator said...

    Well if you think that's poor then that's your opinion.

    Bowden was a great great coach. But, I could spin it and say: Meyer won 2 championships at UF in 6 yrs. Bowden won 2 in 30. You see how that works?

    I'm definitely not gonna compare those two coaches. But, you keep spewing out these numbers. Well don't forget the main numbers, 3-2.

    Those 104 yrs you keep talking about were started with FSU players that were pretty much forced to play for UF iirc. So that argument means nothing to me.

    Like I said football is a fast evolving sport. I don't care how long it took for UF to catch-up-to-date, we did it.

    Michigan is the alltime leader in wins were you proclaiming them to be the best program the last decade? What about ND?

    This post was edited by fsukum on 1/6/2012 at 11:22 PM

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  • healthguyfsu said...

    It is a privilege to have one coach do so well for so long rather than have coaches make up stories about health or take other jobs only to come back and play against you.

    Your attempt to spin away from that is pathetic.

    It is a privilege to have that. But you must admit that its a privilege for programs to have multiple coaches come in and win championships.

    What's pathetic about stating that? Plenty programs play against former coaches. I'm pretty sure LSU isn't sweating Saban right about now.

    When a program can bring in championships through different coaching staffs, I think that says something for the program.

    CRgator

  • CRgator said...

    It is a privilege to have that. But you must admit that its a privilege for programs to have multiple coaches come in and win championships.

    What's pathetic about stating that? Plenty programs play against former coaches. I'm pretty sure LSU isn't sweating Saban right about now.

    When a program can bring in championships through different coaching staffs, I think that says something for the program.

    Urban Meyer is shady. And that bond he had with Tebow seemed homoerotic. I'm a Canes fan and even I know comparing past titles doesn't count for much. What have you done lately is all that matters.

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  • andrew32 said...

    Urban Meyer is shady. And that bond he had with Tebow seemed homoerotic. I'm a Canes fan and even I know comparing past titles doesn't count for much. What have you done lately is all that matters.

    No offense, but I'm not understanding how this is pertinent to my comments.

    CRgator

  • I showed up late to this thread and refuse to read all the replies. All I will say is:

    Our class is much better. Much much better. Our top end talent is much better and we've met needs better.

    It's not arguable.

    fsufsu ●

  • fsufsu said...

    I showed up late to this thread and refuse to read all the replies. All I will say is:

    Our class is much better. Much much better. Our top end talent is much better and we've met needs better.

    It's not arguable.

    Your top end talent is better. But, I don't think you met needs better.

    Both UF and FSU need big time help on the offensive line. We've helped ourselves a little bit in that dept.

    I think the talent will be close come NSD, however. We should finish out this class pretty strong.

    CRgator

  • CRgator said...

    No offense, but I'm not understanding how this is pertinent to my comments.

    The point is that no one gives a gee whiz about tradition and former coaches. Who is winning right now matters and FSU is on top of the State mountain.

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  • CRgator said...

    Your top end talent is better. But, I don't think you met needs better.

    Both UF and FSU need big time help on the offensive line. We've helped ourselves a little bit in that dept.

    I think the talent will be close come NSD, however. We should finish out this class pretty strong.

    Wow, you picked the ONE position you've done better and discussed it.

    You guys needed two elite RBs. You had it with one being an every down baller and one being a great compliment power back. You lost the every down guy and now you just have a James Wilder wish-he-was as a power back.....C+

    You guys needed a 4 man, all elite, WR class. At one point you lead big for both Agholor and Diggs, that would have done the trick. Agholor, Pittman wont get it done. You guys are struggling there. C+

    OL, Humphries was big, Dunker is good....numbers? B+

    You guys needed the DE class we signed. Your DE class compared to needs including Bullard is still a B or B+. Add Bullard and Leonard and its really good

    LB class, you guys needed a HOME RUN, C- so far

    UF needs a tremendous close, an unreal one.

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  • andrew32 said...

    The point is that no one gives a gee whiz about tradition and former coaches. Who is winning right now matters and FSU is on top of the State mountain.

    ? Dude I didn't bring the timeline into the equation. Someone else brought up UF's 104 yrs of history.

    So the last decade should be left out? FSU is on top right now, but the top isn't hard to reach at all in the state right now.

    Maybe for the Canes... Well definitely for the Canes.

    CRgator

  • We needed a top end RB, we got a horse in Pender.

    We needed speed at WR, lol

    We needed OL, D+ so far....add Latu or Watson and a three star HS kid and its a B....actually pairs real well w/ last yr

    We wanted top end talent along the DL.....A+++++

    We needed two LBs with one being elite, we add Northrup and A+

    We needed an elite CB, will go down to the wire but we have Howard, Darby, Poole, Simon as options

    We needed two kickers, A-. Aguayo is a stud and Beattie has the measurables

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  • fsufsu said...

    Wow, you picked the ONE position you've done better and discussed it.

    You guys needed two elite RBs. You had it with one being an every down baller and one being a great compliment power back. You lost the every down guy and now you just have a James Wilder wish-he-was as a power back.....C+

    You guys needed a 4 man, all elite, WR class. At one point you lead big for both Agholor and Diggs, that would have done the trick. Agholor, Pittman wont get it done. You guys are struggling there. C+

    OL, Humphries was big, Dunker is good....numbers? B+

    You guys needed the DE class we signed. Your DE class compared to needs including Bullard is still a B or B+. Add Bullard and Leonard and its really good

    LB class, you guys needed a HOME RUN, C- so far

    UF needs a tremendous close, an unreal one.

    We don't exactly need 2 rb's this class. For what? Next yr the state is stacked with good rbs. The same goes for wrs.

    I agree FSU's class is better, as I did in my last post. But, I'm not one to star gaze. Personally, I'm not a fan of Diggs so I wasn't factoring him into the equation.

    All I said was that I think UF finishes strong and closes the talent gap. Humphries to me is what Edwards Jr. is to most FSU fans. We are absolutely horrible at the tackle position.

    No beef man, FSU is recruiting well, but I'm very satisfied with our recruits as well. And Id give the UF class so far a solid B with much room to grow.

    CRgator

  • CRgator said...

    We don't exactly need 2 rb's this class. For what? Next yr the state is stacked with good rbs. The same goes for wrs.

    I agree FSU's class is better, as I did in my last post. But, I'm not one to star gaze. Personally, I'm not a fan of Diggs so I wasn't factoring him into the equation.

    All I said was that I think UF finishes strong and closes the talent gap. Humphries to me is what Edwards Jr. is to most FSU fans. We are absolutely horrible at the tackle position.

    No beef man, FSU is recruiting well, but I'm very satisfied with our recruits as well. And Id give the UF class so far a solid B with much room to grow.

    Word, stick around and discuss stuff then.

    UF needs Greg Bryant and Kelvin Taylor in 2013 but they wont be true contributors until 2014.....TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN.

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  • fsufsu said...

    Word, stick around and discuss stuff then.

    UF needs Greg Bryant and Kelvin Taylor in 2013 but they wont be true contributors until 2014.....TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN.

    Well I think that's right on schedule anyways. UF won't be competing for any SEC championships before then. The switch to the prostyle offense will take at least another season plus a spring, imo.

    But, I'm confident that the pieces will fall in place. Look out for UGA. The SEC, has really helped them out with scheduling and they are probably gonna make some noise next yr. So the recruiting for Muschamp is gonna be extremely harder than it was for Urban.

    CRgator

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