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What kind of team would you prefer?

  • Would you rather see your team trot out 22 mid-4-star players, or 17 mid-3-star players with 5 high-level 5-stars sprinkled in?

    I know some 3-stars turn out amazing (Werner) and some 5-stars bust (Rouse).

    So for this thought experiment, assume all the players turn out in college to be exactly what their high school rating would predict.

    So, I'd guess the team of 22 4-stars would essentially be 22 mid-round draft picks, say rounds 3-6, with a couple of second rounders. The team of 3- and 5-stars consists of 17 players who are low-rounders or undrafted free agents or just decent players with maybe arena ball potential, with 5 guys who go in the first round.

    Also, if you take the team with the 5-stars, what positions do they play?

    I'm going with the 3- and 5-stars. And I'm putting my 5-stars at QB, WR, DT, and both cornerbacks.

    googolplex

  • Are they South Florida 3 stars or just regular 3 stars?

    WarDogCG58

  • googolplex said...

    Would you rather see your team trot out 22 mid-4-star players, or 17 mid-3-star players with 5 high-level 5-stars sprinkled in?

    I know some 3-stars turn out amazing (Werner) and some 5-stars bust (Rouse).

    So for this thought experiment, assume all the players turn out in college to be exactly what their high school rating would predict.

    So, I'd guess the team of 22 4-stars would essentially be 22 mid-round draft picks, say rounds 3-6, with a couple of second rounders. The team of 3- and 5-stars consists of 17 players who are low-rounders or undrafted free agents or just decent players with maybe arena ball potential, with 5 guys who go in the first round.

    Also, if you take the team with the 5-stars, what positions do they play?

    I'm going with the 3- and 5-stars. And I'm putting my 5-stars at QB, WR, DT, and both cornerbacks.

    I would do the same except eschew the 5 star QB and add a 5 star linebacker.

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    fsufool

  • A team of 4-stars with 5-stars sprinkled in, like we are now.

    That 3-star team with 5-stars sprinkled in was your 2012 Miami Hurricanes.

    fsukum

  • Who were the 5-stars? They didn't have any scary players really did they?

    googolplex

  • Whichever team wins the most. Stars matter less to me than wins.

    NoleNBlue

  • I got a downvote for just starting a casual conversation about football philosophy??

    Ok, that has to be an accident. Can somebody even me?

    googolplex

  • googolplex said...

    Who were the 5-stars? They didn't have any scary players really did they?

    Howard, Henderson and Johnson. All are starters.

    fsukum

  • Thanks for the balance out, guys. Wish I coulda made this thread more interesting. Just not much going on this time of year.

    This post was edited by googolplex on 3/3/2013 at 4:16 PM

    googolplex

  • I'd take the team of solid four stars.

    There's an argument for both, but it'll be a better locker room (no jealousy or egos so big they ruin things) and the opposing team can't gameplan to take out the two to three great players I have and let the rest oftheir team over power my average players.

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    beanoleKJ

  • I would want 5 5 stars, 15 4 stars and 5 3 stars in a class of 25.

    Good chance the 5 stars become all-stars. Most of the 4 stars become starters, some become back-ups. The 3 stars would provide depth.

    Of course, it all depends on evaluation. How many Bjoern Werners are there in the 3 stars?

    Scalp 'Em Seminoles!!!

    NoleTrainer

  • Honestly agree with a few of you, I'd like to land only kids with football IQ and some solid semblance of humility. At FSU we should be able to get 1-2 five stars like that, 10 or so four stars and then ~12 three stars that simply need 2-3 years in an S&C program. You get that established and then you try and have 3-5 boom or bust, more troubled guys like a Fred Rouse on your team for sheer upside chasing. The lockerroom could handle it.

    I actually think this is exactly what Jimbo has done. Except he was able to land more five and four stars.

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 3/3/2013 at 10:49 PM

    fsufsu

  • NoleTrainer said...

    I would want 5 5 stars, 15 4 stars and 5 3 stars in a class of 25.

    Good chance the 5 stars become all-stars. Most of the 4 stars become starters, some become back-ups. The 3 stars would provide depth.

    Of course, it all depends on evaluation. How many Bjoern Werners are there in the 3 stars?

    Loads of 3-stars become impact players.

    fsukum

  • Too many years looking at superprep... Which I imagine became rivals.

    Scalp 'Em Seminoles!!!

    NoleTrainer

  • 22 5 stars. pray

    FSUBone

  • You see it again and again with a lot of kids. They don't really put in the work or focus until the pre season of their last year because it's their contract year. Very normal but not always the case. The kids that come in and do work from day one, like Werner, almost all have the potential to shine and make the league. I mean you don't go to FSU unless you at least have the tools to work with and develop. So I guess I'm saying that I want kids that have the habits off the field to succeed on the field. I know a high school coach isn't going to throw his players and their work ethic under the bus to a college coach, but that's the kind of stuff I would want to know. Is this kid going to come in and do the things off the field a coach can't make him do?

    I remember Werner said the first thing he wanted to do when he got to Tally was to work out. I thought that was a pretty darn good sign of his focus and drive off the field.

    This post was edited by FSUBone on 3/4/2013 at 7:45 AM

    FSUBone

  • Give me 25 5 Stars....and I will go against someone with 25 3*...and I will take my chances. In this day and age where prospects are evaluated by so many people there are less and less great players being missed. I always see this brought up on sites...Oh Boise State has 3*.....Yeah so....I will give you more teams that are recruiting lesser quality kids and guess what they are not winning much. You need the most talented players to win...if you believe otherwise...go ahead. There is a reason why the SEC keeps winning NC.....They have the best players and most of them are 4 and 5* prospects.

    ESS2011

  • I see this in areas that aren't in football and it's true on the gridiron as well. You can only boil water when you apply heat from below.

    What this means is that 1 great class isn't going to put you on top. If you put guy in the next class and the one after that that will take the older player's snaps if they don't work, chances are that older kid is going to work. It's the old steel sharpens steel and competition brings out the best in you mentality. The last thing a kid wants is for a younger kid to beat him out for the starting job. So it's not really about the first 22, it's about the next 2 classes after that that put the VERY best kids on the field.

    FSUBone

  • Well, I mean, of course you'd take all the 5-stars you can get.

    I think the question is really this: how important are the superstars? The Peter Warricks, the Charlie Wards, the Deions.

    What's better--a team of 22 players who are all well above average, but zero Peter Warricks and Charlie Wards...or a team of more average players, but with a few amazing superstars thrown in?

    Is having superstars so important that you'd be willing to trade your well-above-average players down to average players? Would you trade all your Everett Dawkinses down to Bud Thackers if it meant you'd get a few extra Timmy Jernigans?

    googolplex

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