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Jerry Kutz said...
I read with interest Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby's quotes about the discussion between the Big12 and the ACC to form a conference alliance for out of conference scheduling.
Loved it that he referred to it as "friends with benefits".
The message board discussion hasn't really focused on what effect adding a home and away intersectional game with a Big 12 team would do for FSU's home schedule; what it would mean to you to have one away game against a Big 12 team; and whether you think this helps to answer the strength-of-schedule question FSU is working to address.
It would seem to me that if the 10 Big 12 teams played two games against ACC teams (20 intersectional games in total), it would add real value to the ACC television package which predicably would lead to a larger ACC payout than the ACC member schools are receiving right now.
Let's see if we can discuss just the alliance idea without talking about full expansion on this one thread.
Want to play along?
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Jerry Kutz said...
I read with interest Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby's quotes about the discussion between the Big12 and the ACC to form a conference alliance for out of conference scheduling.
Loved it that he referred to it as 'friends with benefits'.
The message board discussion hasn't really focused on what effect adding a home and away intersectional game with a Big 12 team would do for FSU's home schedule; what it would mean to you to have one away game against a Big 12 team; and whether you think this helps to answer the strength-of-schedule question FSU is working to address.
It would seem to me that if the 10 Big 12 teams played two games against ACC teams (20 intersectional games in total), it would add real value to the ACC television package which predicably would lead to a larger ACC payout than the ACC member schools are receiving right now.
Let's see if we can discuss just the alliance idea without talking about full expansion on this one thread.
Want to play along?
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BenDNol said...
I don't think anyone would dislike the idea of getting certain Big12 teams on the schedule. Had WVU not cancelled on us, we would have played a current Big12 team each year from 2010-2014. I think the reaction was positive about having WVU on the schedule, and most people seem excited about OSU in 2014.
This begs the question. If these type of games are already being scheduled (FSU v Big12), why would ESPN pay extra for them? In Dodd's original article about the alliance, he said that TV partners haven't been included on the talks, so I would think that could be a pretty big hurdle to clear.
Addressing the SOS problem, I actually think this alliance would worsen the problem. FSU's problem with SOS is not an OOC scheduling problem. Sure, WVU bailing this year hurt, but its the ACC that is bringing us down in the computer rankings.
The ACC schedules, by far, more BCS programs OOC than any other conference. Teams like Duke are scheduling Bama and Stanford. Virginia has scheduled USC and Oregon. And so on. Our "lower level" teams are being used as resume fodder for the other BCS conferences. If you look at these same "lower level" teams from other BCS conferences, they schedule these type of teams much less frequently.
I feel like the ACC scheduling more Big12 teams is just the ACC scheduling more losses. Sure, some of our teams may win: FSU, Clemson, VT, and some others may get a win, but I imagine if this 20 game package were scheduled, that the ACC would probably go somewhere between 3-17 to 7-13, in my opinion.
To summarize my thoughts about the SOS discussion: The ACC schedules more BCS programs OOC than any other league, and we have the worse SOS problems. I'm not sure how an alliance to have more of these games will help that issue.
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NoleReb said...
ESPN would conceivably pony up for the games because the right ACC-Big 12 match-ups would draw a lot more viewers than an alternative non-conference game. Thus, FSU-Texas is a lot more valuable than, say, FSU-Nevada.
I understand your point about the ACC's strength of schedule, but we won't be as dependent on the conference's strength of schedule if we schedule better non-conference opponents. Adding Texas or Oklahoma to a schedule that will already include Clemson, Florida, Louisville, and Miami would all but guarantee FSU a spot in the playoffs if we finished with one loss or fewer.
Would a scheduling alliance with the Big 12 cure everything that ails the ACC? No. But to me, it's definitely more attractive than the status quo.
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BenDNol said...
I understand the supposed value of FSU vs. UT or OU. My point is that FSU has already voiced a desire to do this type of scheduling on our own. As the OP said, FSU is working to address the SOS issue and would likely schedule similar match-ups without this alliance. ESPN already owns the right to those games, why would they pay more for what they already own.
Further, FSU is one of the few ACC teams that would actually provide value to this alliance. It would just be another revenue stream that FSU would provide the lion's share of value, and split with the rest of the ACC. Or is ESPN going to pony up for Syracuse vs. Baylor, or Wake Forest vs. Texas Tech?
Maybe if ESPN allowed the teams from each matchup to get money relative to the ratings received.
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NoleReb said...
I get your point, but potential games such as Clemson-Oklahoma, Miami-Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech-West Virginia would have real value, too. I think it's fairly clear that those games won't happen if additional compensation isn't part of the deal, so while it's true that ESPN could theoretically refuse to increase the value of the contract, taking that position would cost them viewership and money that they'd otherwise have.
It's true that FSU wouldn't receive it's "fair share" of the new money, but we'd get more than we're receiving right now. If switching conferences isn't an option (and for the purposes of this thread it isn't), then the next best thing is doing whatever else we can to increase our revenue stream.
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