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I appreciate the post, it's always nice to get further confirmation - this has all been said before, most recently by Nashnole. I expect this thread to go the same as the others - people with actual sources will state what they've heard and say the odds on favorite is CT, people with no sources will express their desire to see Winston or Coker start.
Jimbo loves his playbook and I don't see him handing over the reigns to anyone he doesn't have 100% confidence in. That said, I agree with others that believe that either Coker or Winston will get a shot at some point this year, when CT needs to sit out a series or a game - due to a big hit. But the facts haven't changed. People with sources continue to report that CT is the starter, Coker isn't there yet, and Winston needs to mature.
Despite the facts and odds, I hope whoever plays QB simply crushes it, whether that's CT all season without injury or a dedicated Coker or Winston.
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crozea55 said...
Who do we play that worries you with regards to protecting him?
UF and assuming they have improved, Clemson. Not only did our OL play exceptional in all home games (including UF), but the teams we get at home this season are not very good. On the road we play WF and BC, and I don't see our pass pro being an issue against them.
UF, Clemson...maybe Pitt?
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HERCNJERC said...
I'll bite:
What we know is Jimbo wants to run the ball and push the ball down the field
I think the offensive line holds the key to the starting QB position. With Clint, we know we won't see much zone read or option. If Jimbo is going to remove those elements from his offense, that would mean the power running game is effective and that hinges on the O-Line.
In order to push the ball down the field, the O-Line has to hold up in pass pro. If they can't do that, then ideally you'll have a mobile QB back there to buy time. That's not really Clint's strength.
If the O-Line can consistently get push in the run game and give the QB time in the passing game, don't be surprised if Clint keeps the job. If not, it's 08 all over again where we sacrifice experience for more athleticism from the QB position to help in the run game and help mask deficiencies with the O-Line.
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AZNole1 said...
I do remember hearing Winston needed a push from Trent Dilfer at the the Elite 11 camp to get his head straight, but when he did get into the playbook, he blew up and co-won the competition.
To me I just want someone that doesn't turn the ball over, can convert third downs, and is fiery.
If Jimbo was hard on the QBs before, it's going to be hell this offseason.
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Cuthbert said...
I have faith that whoever Jimbo picks is the guy that puts us in the best position to win. I also don't think you recruit a consensus 5 star to sit the bench forever. Whoever wins, I'll support and I think both Winston and Coker bring some things to be really excited about.
That said, I don't think Clint will win the job because of the sheer terror I saw in his eyes going in to play against UF. QBs should not have that look in their repertoire.
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Blaxican said...
Let's try this again. Hopefully, people will be on their best behavior this time around.
skosuri said...
Was reading TN and found this post from 4thgennole pretty interesting. I know that this battle is just beginning and but there isn't that much else to talk about.
"FWIW, I’ve been asking my friends on the team about what the QB situation looks like for Spring and next year, and these are the few things they all seem to say;
A) With Trickett you know what you’re getting, he’s not really getting any better, but he knows the offense and has an above average touch on his short and mid-range balls, and actually has pretty good arm strength for a kid who will most likely never top 205(I’d say he’s 190-195 now, have classes with him, known him since hs, so I know what Twigkett used to look like). He has good chemistry with the receivers, and knows how to make calls at the line(by no means Ponderesque in this since, but certainly can set the offense up for success). What it comes down to is the fact that the kid has reached his ceiling, he’s not gonna wow anybody on the field, but he’s the safe option, at least as long as he’s protected.
2)Apparently Coker is every bit the man child that we have all been drooling over since his HS measurables(no homo, unless you are, in which case drool away). My friends say he’s the most physically imposing QB they’ve seen outside Logan Thomas, so more so than EJ. He has a rocket of an arm and has far and away the best deep ball on the team, that includes EJ. I haven’t heard them say anything about him not knowing the playbook, just that he knows substantially less than CT(Which could be assumed anyways). What I have heard is that his intermediate passes lack touch and audibles at the line are a rare occurrence with him(I take this with a grain of salt though, not sure how much freedom to audible Jimbo gives back up QB’s in practice).
D) And then there’s Winston. Everyone’s seen his film, everyone knows his recruiting ratings, everyone knows about the Elite 11 camp. The kid has raw talent; there is absolutely no denying it. One of his teammates told me, and I quote “the stuff he does, it’s like Charlie Ward, when he has the football in his hands he’s the most impressive player I’ve ever been on the same field as”. Now I think the Charlie Ward comments might be a bit of a hyperbole, but the player who told me that played big time Fl HS football, so while he might not ever actually start for FSU, he definitely knows what talent looks like. But what that same individual also told me is that Jameis is by far the least mature of all the QB’s, and hinted that he might not be giving the playbook half the attention it deserves.
I understand all this is just hearsay, but I respect and believe what these guys have told me. From what I can collectively gather (because none of them explicitly said “x will be our starter next season”) CT is the “starter” for all intents and purposes until one of the other guys take it from him. The coaches fully expect this to happen, if not this spring, than before fall, but they will not bench Clint unless they are fully confident that either of the other guys gives the team a better shot at winning. The fact that this has not happened yet coupled with the HUGE talent disparity between Coker/Winston and Trickett leads one to believe that the former 2 truly do not have a grasp on the playbook at all. If say Trickett knew 90% of the playbook and Coker or Winston knew 70-75%, would it be irrational to assume that 75% coupled with twice the athleticism would give the team a better chance at winning?
I expect Coker to take the job by the Spring game simply because he is(or at least should be) fully devoted to football while Jameis, who, like I said, may be immature, is juggling football and baseball right now, but if he decides to get his crap together he could take the job over the summer."
What are your thoughts? I know this is all speculation but I am surprised to hear immaturity regarding Winston considering the small sample size of staying in to memorize the playbook in the elite 11 camp. That being said I was 18 once. If Coker gets the job, does Winston transfer? Why not give them 1 half of our first game like Brissett Driskell (if cupcake)?
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