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To win a NC you must have a game changer on offense

  • To win a national championship you must have a game changer on offense. Most people think because you have a great defense you will win a championship it definetly helps but you still must have a game changer on offense to win. In the last 20 to 30 years, the teams who have won a national championship have at at least a first round wide receiver, running back, quarterback or a heisman winner/contender. The only team I can think of is Alabama in 92 who didn't have this, I could be wrong on this but I would say at least 95 percent of the national championship teams had one, correct me if I am wrong. So, for us to win a NC who will be our game changer this year, or if we don't have one, then we won't win one anytime soon.

    warchantnoles

  • Rashad Greene raises hand

    Mass Nole

  • Benjamin might be one if he keeps building upon what he did this Spring.

    http://www.richmondseminoles.com/

    BigDFSU

  • EJ, Rashad Greene, Nick O'Leary, Kelvin Benjamin, James Wilder & Mario Pender say "hi".

    tlhwg

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    lamarsilverfox

  • Let's go back and see...

    2011: Trent Richardson (Alabama)
    2010: Cam Newton (Auburn)
    2009: Mark Ingram (Alabama)
    2008: Tim Tebow/Percy Harvin (Florida)
    2007: Matt Flynn? (LSU)
    2006: Leak? Harvin? (Florida)
    2005: Vince Young (Texas)
    2004: Reggie Bush/Matt Leinart (USC)
    2003: I don't even know... (LSU)
    2002: Maurice Clarett (Ohio State)
    2001: Andre Johnson/Clinton Portis/Jeremy Shockey/Bryant McKinnie (Miami)
    2000: Josh Heupel? (Oklahoma)

    So I mean, yeah, going back to 2000, there were several teams that had game changers on offense, but several that didn't.

    EnterTheOcho

  • Rashad Greene is obvious. I am still thinking Rodney Smith has a personal best season season to show us. Because of depth he may only get ~35 catches to showcase this year but I think he does the most with his opportunities this year.

    And then so many just think since CT4 broke his back he'll likely just be solid but everyone around the program says he's healthy and a man on fire. He's really good guys.

    fsufsu

  • Lsu had Dwayne bowed for one of them

    warchantnoles

  • fsufsu said...

    Rashad Greene is obvious. I am still thinking Rodney Smith has a personal best season season to show us. Because of depth he may only get ~35 catches to showcase this year but I think he does the most with his opportunities this year.

    And then so many just think since CT4 broke his back he'll likely just be solid but everyone around the program says he's healthy and a man on fire. He's really good guys.

    Rashad was a very good freshman, but it's not quite the sure bet every seems to think it is that he will become a gamechanger.

    Game changer is Warrick Dunn, Peter Warrick, Percy Harvin, Reggie Bush, Cam Newton, Tebow, etc.

    I think the OP has a good point that most teams that win a NC have an elite player on offense. It remains to be seen if we currently have that player.

    aivlys

  • How many of those gamechangers were deemed gamechangers before their title season? How many developed into one during their title run.

    fsukum

  • fsukum said...

    How many of those gamechangers were deemed gamechangers before their title season? How many developed into one during their title run.

    Most of them were.

    aivlys

  • Rashard Greene was uncoverable as a 18 year old, 175lb Fr. He's gained 7-10lbs according to most and is a year older. He's really good and is not limited athletically. He's a legit 4.5 guy with a 40in vertical.

    fsufsu

  • OP is dead on.

    At some point in the season, somebody is going to stop your offense: things won't click.

    You will need someone who can make a play anyway, someone to make something happen outside the normal rhythm of the offense.

    If you don't have this person, there will be at least a couple games where you just don't score that much, where 17 points will beat you. And goodbye national title.

    googolplex

  • All of them. None of them were freshman

    warchantnoles

  • googolplex said...

    OP is dead on.

    At some point in the season, somebody is going to stop your offense: things won't click.

    You will need someone who can make a play anyway, someone to make something happen outside the normal rhythm of the offense.

    If you don't have this person, there will be at least a couple games where you just don't score that much, where 17 points will beat you. And goodbye national title.

    I seem to remember Rashad doing just that in the Champs bowl when our offense was sh*tting itself. The gamebreaker is already on the roster, we are not short on talent on offense.

    This post was edited by Mass Nole on 5/16/2012 at 1:44 PM

    Mass Nole

  • Rashad is the obvious first option, but haulstead and benjamin could easily step it up.

    This could be a stretch, but if this O-line really holds up and makes some holes, I really feel freeman/wilder/pender/etc.. could really break things open and shock people..

    seminolelive84

  • Mass Nole said...

    I seem to remember Rashad doing just that in the Champs bowl when our offense was sh*tting itself. The gamebreaker is already on the roster, we are not short on talent on offense.

    That's a very good example, and it's why people are namely RG as the candidate. But there is a big difference between RG and a Peter Warrick-very, very big. Maybe he'll make that kind of jump, but as it stands now I don't think we will see that kind of gamechanger next year on offense.

    aivlys

  • aivlys said...

    That's a very good example, and it's why people are namely RG as the candidate. But there is a big difference between RG and a Peter Warrick-very, very big. Maybe he'll make that kind of jump, but as it stands now I don't think we will see that kind of gamechanger next year on offense.

    Do you remember what P-dub did his freshmen year? First of all he redshirted....his RS FR year he had 22 rec for 467 yards in 11 games. Rashad had better stats in less games...although I will say P-dub was one of the most unbelievable college athletes I've ever seen. I'll hold out hope for Rashad.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Mass Nole on 5/16/2012 at 2:10 PM

    Mass Nole

  • Mass Nole said...

    Do you remember what P-dub did his freshmen year? First of all he redshirted....his RS FR year he had 22 rec for 467 yards in 11 games. Rashad had better stats in less games...although I will say P-dub was one of the most unbelievable college athletes I've ever seen. I'll hold out hope for Rashad.

    Comparing Warrick's freshman stats (from 1996) to Green's (in 2011) is a little unfair, because FSU's offense was so good back then compared to now. If RG played on the 96 offense, I don't know what his stats would have been because he may not see the field much.

    I'm sure you've seen PW's play from the 1999 LaTech game, and you certainly know about the NC game. I'm not sure we'll see those plays from RG--or anyone--in the next couple of years. PW was the best player on the field everytime he stepped on it. But for Dillards, that dude wins the Heisman.

    aivlys

  • Him not being Peter Warrick (one of the greatest college WR's EVER) doesn't mean that Rashad is not a gamechanger.

    dreClark

  • dreClark said...

    Him not being Peter Warrick (one of the greatest college WR's EVER) doesn't mean that Rashad is not a gamechanger.

    ding ding ding

    Mass Nole

  • Rashad Greene. Kid did more his true frosh year than a receiver has done at FSU in a longtime. And I think it's just about time for Christian Green to bust out as well.

    Bowden4prez

  • aivlys said...

    That's a very good example, and it's why people are namely RG as the candidate. But there is a big difference between RG and a Peter Warrick-very, very big. Maybe he'll make that kind of jump, but as it stands now I don't think we will see that kind of gamechanger next year on offense.

    There was a very big difference.

    PW - 22 catches 467 yards 4 TDs - which led to soph numbers of - 53 catches 884 yards 8 TDs

    RG - 38 catches 596 yards 7 TDs ------ SOPHOMORE unknown

    I guess my point is, Rashad Greene made more plays, and was a better all round receiver than PW his first year at FSU. To suggest he can't explode his sophomore season like PW did, is a little crazy.

    People have foggy memories of these things over the years. What Greene did last season was nothing short of historic at FSU in terms of a true frosh WR.

    Rashad Greene reminds me of a Chris Carter. Gets open, makes outstanding grabs, and where it gets tough are those 3rd and 8s, and he is getting open.

    To the poster I quoted - you brought up PW - and then said it doesn't compare - remember something. Not many teams were playing zone defense in the mid 90s. In fact, almost none were, and the ones that were, weren't running the sophisticated zone schemes that are around today.

    What does that mean? That means PW wouldn't have the same opportunities on the field that he had back then, and was a HUGE reason why he didn't live up to his hype in the NFL. When bracketed, the kid had to use his explosion in and out of cuts, and run outstanding routes. The zone was invented for players like PW, and the reason you don't see that same type of playmaking ability anymore.

    This post was edited by Bowden4prez on 5/16/2012 at 4:23 PM

    Bowden4prez

  • Bowden4prez said...

    There was a very big difference.

    PW - 22 catches 467 yards 4 TDs - which led to soph numbers of - 53 catches 884 yards 8 TDs

    RG - 38 catches 596 yards 7 TDs ------ SOPHOMORE unknown

    I guess my point is, Rashad Greene made more plays, and was a better all round receiver than PW his first year at FSU. To suggest he can't explode his sophomore season like PW did, is a little crazy.

    People have foggy memories of these things over the years. What Greene did last season was nothing short of historic at FSU in terms of a true frosh WR.

    Rashad Greene reminds me of a Chris Carter. Gets open, makes outstanding grabs, and where it gets tough are those 3rd and 8s, and he is getting open.

    To the poster I quoted - you brought up PW - and then said it doesn't compare - remember something. Not many teams were playing zone defense in the mid 90s. In fact, almost none were, and the ones that were, weren't running the sophisticated zone schemes that are around today.

    What does that mean? That means PW wouldn't have the same opportunities on the field that he had back then, and was a HUGE reason why he didn't live up to his hype in the NFL. When bracketed, the kid had to use his explosion in and out of cuts, and run outstanding routes. The zone was invented for players like PW, and the reason you don't see that same type of playmaking ability anymore.

    Where did I say he can't turn into that type of player at FSU? Didn't I concede that he might?

    The OP mentioned gamechangers on offense that win NCs. There's no dispute that PW was that, but I think it's an open question as to whether RG is that kind of player. PW was running circles around defenders, throwing TDs against UF (even though it was lucky), running Wildcat-type plays, returning punts for TDs, and making circus catches in NC games.

    I've seen the circus catches from RG (see ND). Maybe he'll have the other aspects of the game too, but that remains to be seen.

    This post was edited by aivlys on 5/16/2012 at 5:19 PM

    aivlys

  • Notice how you struggled with the LSU ones?

    Jimbo's offensive philosophy is not predicated around highlighting a difference maker.
    He is:
    a) Multiple
    b) Favors deep rotations

    Look at the NFL level offensive talent on the two BCS Champions:
    2003
    QB: Matt Mauck, 2 NFL backups (Russell, Flynn)
    RB: Joseph Addai, Justin Vincent, Alley Broussard
    WR: Michael Clayton, Devery Henderson, Craig "Buster" Davis, a young Dwayne Bowe

    2007:
    QB: Matt Flynn
    RB: Jacob Hester,Keiland Williams
    WR: Early Doucet, Brandon LaFell, Demetrius Byrd, Terrance Tolliver

    All of these players had superior, NFL-level talent - but Jimbo never milked that one guy like other successful programs did.
    Our team this year just reeks of the LSU 2007 sqaud. Just check out their roster, I see a ton of parallels (linked).

    Bottom line - I don't expect us to have that one "game-changer" this season. It doesn't mean we can't win the whole thing.

    2007 LSU Tigers football team - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_LSU_Tigers_football_team

    en.wikipedia.org

    SavannaBandana