Unconquered

I think best case scenario for FSU would be having GT or UL, Clem, and Miami come along with us to the Big 12. East-West divisions and everybody can shut up about having to travel too far.

We are going to play them every year anyway....if they are in conference then we dont kill a OOC game every year....of course we will schedule some no body for it...but it is a home game

Those of you who think Miami will collapse are not thinking straight. Miami has a place in college football and will forever be able to tread water. In the words of my uncle "That ship aint sankin"

If FSU and Clemson go B12 then Miami is more screwed than words can describe and they will basically only be able to sign kids who are scared to fly in planes.

Totally agree with this. FSU would absolute kill it in SoFla recruiting and that carries a ton of weight with me personally. Sometimes you leave rivals (especially a secondary one like UM) behind and don't extend a life raft to them

Miami is a joke of a school with a terrible fan base and stadium that sits about 45 min from campus, not to mention the NCAA hasnt even dropped the hammer on them yet. A&M and Missouri at least have solib fanbases and A&M was a very solid pickup for the SEC, they could easly be the top team in the ACC if they had went there. I hope yall move to the ACC with Clemson like rumored, they we will see if yall keep Miami on the schedule. And it will be fun watching yall have to atcually play a respectable schedule. Right now as it sits they're isnt another team in the ACC with the talent level of yall. You have outrecruted every team in the ACC, and its not even close, no ACC teams recruit top 10 classes every year. So the move to the Big 12 will even the playing field, and lord knows it will fun fun to watch.. But knowing yall you will stay in the ACC and not step up to the challenge, its kinda like when fine girls get with these low life guys so they can keep that position of power.. Except we know FSU aint won ish in yrsss

I am torn. I love the rivalry and don't want to lose it, that means either UM comes with us or we have them as an OOC game every year (which as has been written, Jimbo won't likely go for that). It would also please me to see them die a slow death in a FSU and Clemson-less ACC. They would slip to USF-like mediocrity.

Nirvananole brings up important recruiting points to consider as well.

A couple of counter points and disagreements. First, most recruits do not come to a school specifically because of who we play. Kids from miami do not sign with FSU because we will play in Miami twice in their career. Kids want to be on tv, they want to play in front of big crowds. If they want their parents to come see them play, they can come to tally and watch them play. I doubt many kids base their decision on a twice in a college career thing. With that in mind, FSU-OU, FSU-Tex, FSU-WVU would be HUGE rating games, much better than our one game vs Miami would give. The Miami game doesnt have the same meaning to the national audience it once did. Once again, this seemingly "need for Miami to be good" is based on nostalgia and is not grounded in any sense of current reality.

If FSU leaves the ACC and drops UM from it's schedule, UM is in BIG trouble. Who will they fill that void with? We fill ours with OU, Texas, WVU and other big name teams. We will still likely keep UF on the schedule since that game means more to us than the Miami one does. Keep something in mind. UM just signed a multi-game series agreement with FAU in which UM will actually travel to FAU. Think about that for a moment. This tells you how low that program has fallen in recent years. Can you imagine FSU traveling to ULM or another sunbelt team?

In summary, UM needs us to stay. We dont need them. In fact, leaving them would put us in better position with recruits since UM will continually drop and become less and less attractive to big time recruits.

I think y'all are nuts. I would be pissed to lose the annual UM match. This game is a staple of our tradition. Let's not be like the Gaters and wuss out on a legendary matchup.

The best scenario is going to the big 12 w UM, GT, CLEM.

Gt adds nothing. Va tech would be the best. I think Louisville would be better than GT. I think NC st would be better than GT although they are never leaving the ACC.

I agree that keeping UM would be beneficial. Also, UM doesn't need us to be good. Their demise was exaggerated in the late '90s. They sit int he 2nd most talent rich area in the country. They will be fine.

As to sanctions, after seeing the slap on the wrist oh st got, I don't think Um loses more than 15 scholarships.

I look forward to the UM game every year.

My ideal conf would be a big 16 with adding fsu, um, clem, gt, vt, louisville. Would love to add Notre Dame instead of louisville, but doubt that would happen.