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Thinking About Joining the Big 12?

  • If we join you guys in the Big 12, would you promise to help us belittle those jort wearing ninny's down the road from us at every turn?

    We need to establish how devoted you are to being culturally aligned with us. rockon

    The poster formerly known as 31-7. Understood by few, known by many, loved by all.

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  • InsightTexas said...

    You are playing Duke and WF now! LOL

    I have no retort..though WF is pretty..no nevermind, I have no retort.

    Pbenuncensored26482 ●

  • 31-7 said...

    If we join you guys in the Big 12, would you promise to help us belittle those jort wearing ninny's down the road from us at every turn?

    We need to establish how devoted you are to being culturally aligned with us. rockon

    Done. We'll even talk sh*t about our former Coach-in-Waiting to expedite the deal.

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  • 31-7 said...

    If we join you guys in the Big 12, would you promise to help us belittle those jort wearing ninny's down the road from us at every turn?

    We need to establish how devoted you are to being culturally aligned with us. rockon

    UT just cut loose its jort wearing ninnys to the SEC and they have a lot in common with your Gainesville brethren. Former all boys school... Cult like activities worshiping animals... Strange attraction for animal husbandry... Forrest Gump like collective intellect... Delusions of grandeur... Yes, we understand and vehemently reject the mentality. LOL

    InsightTexas

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    That is actually true, I googled this (SAETEXAS take note) the conference has the member schools report to it, then it submits those findings, so it gives the "appearance" of running it.

    I also googled the B12 contract, and indeed Texas is locked in, so that answers that.

    In the future I will google first, post second.

    You're saying the Big Ten does not payout that research money? Sorry, didn't quite follow.

    The CIC just reports the combined research its member institutions participate in, which is something absurd like $6B. But a school won't see their research make a huge jump simply by joining the Big Ten.

    tricknole

  • Armynole03 said...

    I would enjoy a move to the Big 12, as I have stated earlier, I live in Louisiana(Alexandria, which is a 2 hour drive from Dallas).

    Amy - It's about 300 miles from Alexandria to Dallas. What do you drive?

    On a serious note - TX and OU can be a pain in the ass but with the 13 year GOR, they aren't going anywhere and don't have as much power as they used to because of that. All the drama from the past couple years has made everyone in the Big 12 crave and appreciate stability like never before. Every team in the conference is happy to be there and loving the new TV deal.

    We are a football conference and every Big 12 school understands this. The teams that suck in football don't suck because they're not trying.

    Full disclosure - I'm a Baylor grad.

    ct_wallace

  • ct_wallace said...

    Amy - It's about 300 miles from Alexandria to Dallas. What do you drive?

    On a serious note - TX and OU can be a pain in the ass but with the 13 year GOR, they aren't going anywhere and don't have as much power as they used to because of that. All the drama from the past couple years has made everyone in the Big 12 crave and appreciate stability like never before. Every team in the conference is happy to be there and loving the new TV deal.

    We are a football conference and every Big 12 school understands this. The teams that suck in football don't suck because they're not trying.

    Full disclosure - I'm a Baylor grad.

    Guess I should have done a google search before listening to people in Louisiana(most of whom have never left the state)roflmao. I have a Civic, which gets pretty good gas mileage, or if need be, a plane ride would be less than an hour. This car has made the drive from Jacksonville, FL to Ocean Springs MS having stopped only once to fill up, so if there were games in Dallas, I would gladly put up with a 5 hour drive.

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  • GetHooked said...

    I've been reading that your new contract with ESPN includes Tier 3 rights. It amounts to a $17 million payout to each school.

    In the Big 12, our contract is currently $20 million per school and you get to keep your Tier 3 rights.

    We sell our T-3 rights for $15 million per year. That's in addition to the $20 million we receive from the Big 12 contract.

    Florida State - being located in football crazy Florida - could sell their Tier 3 rights for a small fortune.

    Y'all are leaving a lot on the table staying in the ACC in my opinion.

    Not to also discount your 20 would go to $24m per team most likely with Clemson & FSU.

    Say 3M for tier 3 and that is a grand total of 10M left on the table -> 27M compared to 17M.

    delawarenole

  • delawarenole said...

    Not to also discount your 20 would go to $24m per team most likely with Clemson & FSU.

    Say 3M for tier 3 and that is a grand total of 10M left on the table -> 27M compared to 17M.

    ...plus $2-3m per team for a CCG plus $?m extra per team for the new BCS deal.

    Once the new BCS deal is finalized in June/July, the rubber will hit the road.

    ct_wallace

  • Have to admit it would be nice to have another school in the conference with as much co-ed talent as us.

    Texas and UCLA are the only other schools that can stake a claim to matching what we have on campus.

    bwhnoles

  • Question for the Texas guys. How well do the teams travel for road games in your conference other than UT and OU. FSU fans get hung up on our home attendance but they fail to realize that the fans of ACC teams don't travel which effects our attendance. The hidden money in this equation is the possibility of BIG 12 teams helping sell out our stadium. Most ACC teams send back most of their allotment. Away teams buying 10000 tickets at 40 bucks a pop x 5 games is another 2mil not including concession sales. It amazes me how people never factor this in.

    Navarre Nole

  • Navarre Nole said...

    Question for the Texas guys. How well do the teams travel for road games in your conference other than UT and OU. FSU fans get hung up on our home attendance but they fail to realize that the fans of ACC teams don't travel which effects our attendance. The hidden money in this equation is the possibility of BIG 12 teams helping sell out our stadium. Most ACC teams send back most of their allotment. Away teams buying 10000 tickets at 40 bucks a pop x 5 games is another 2mil not including concession sales. It amazes me how people never factor this in.

    KSt travels well but I honestly wouldn't expect much from the others. Maybe more people would be traveling at first because of the novelty but improving visitor attendance is not what's driving this bus.

    Minimizing geographic isolation for FSU and CU is a big plus for GT and Miami if they're in the mix.

    Maybe it would help if the Big 12 required Jenn Sterger to attend all FSU home games?

    ct_wallace

  • http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19009755/report-louisville-wants-out-of-the-big-east.

    The rumors are growing.

    Ocalanole

  • bwhnoles said...

    Have to admit it would be nice to have another school in the conference with as much co-ed talent as us.

    Texas and UCLA are the only other schools that can stake a claim to matching what we have on campus.

    Arizona State

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  • tricknole said...

    You're saying the Big Ten does not payout that research money? Sorry, didn't quite follow.

    The CIC just reports the combined research its member institutions participate in, which is something absurd like $6B. But a school won't see their research make a huge jump simply by joining the Big Ten.

    Its on the individual instituion to report to the conference, who then gets a cut as it reports to whoever they report to, so when the press release says "The Big10 reported x amount" well you see where I am going.

    Least thats what i took from what i read..if I find it again i will link it for you.

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  • Ocalanole said...

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19009755/report-louisville-wants-out-of-the-big-east.

    The rumors are growing.

    I posted the following earlier this afternoon on Hookem.

    If everything we hear about the ACC contract is correct, then that tells me they have decided to be basketball conference, which in my opinion that puts the football first schools in play between SEC, Big 10 and Big 12, and they have made that decision. They can replace the football schools that leave with basketball schools from the Big East and the Big East knows it and that is why they basically removed their commissioner. For example Louisville would fit perfectly in the ACC, since they can apparently keep their third tier basketball rights and also get the increased revenue from the new ACC contract.

    Now what does the SEC do, expand their footprint or lockup their region? What’s to keep them from adding more than two teams? And what about the Big 10, do they look at Boston College, Maryland and Rutgers to expand their footprint.

    Some believe the ACC will try and defend their status by adding ND, but I believe they charted their course with the new contract. I would now not be surprised to see realignment start before the BCS meetings.

    CelinaHorn

  • ct_wallace said...

    KSt travels well but I honestly wouldn't expect much from the others. Maybe more people would be traveling at first because of the novelty but improving visitor attendance is not what's driving this bus.

    Minimizing geographic isolation for FSU and CU is a big plus for GT and Miami if they're in the mix.

    Maybe it would help if the Big 12 required Jenn Sterger to attend all FSU home games?

    What? Texas travels everywhere. We have more people wanting tickets than other schools make available to us.

    I suspect there will be a lot of burnt orange in Tallahassee every time we play there.

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  • BushidoNole said...

    Arizona State

    Ole Miss as well

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  • InsightTexas said...

    UT just cut loose its jort wearing ninnys to the SEC and they have a lot in common with your Gainesville brethren. Former all boys school... Cult like activities worshiping animals... Strange attraction for animal husbandry... Forrest Gump like collective intellect... Delusions of grandeur... Yes, we understand and vehemently reject the mentality. LOL

    Anybody that's agin the belly-draggers us OK with me.

    Crappy Davenpot

  • GetHooked said...

    What? Texas travels everywhere. We have more people wanting tickets than other schools make available to us.

    I suspect there will be a lot of burnt orange in Tallahassee every time we play there.

    I interpreted the original question as asking if anyone besides UT/OU travel well. He may have been asking if the other teams travel well to non-UT/OU games.

    I agree that UT and OU travel well.

    ct_wallace

  • InsightTexas said...

    First, you cannot ignore a 13 year GOR. It is a huge commitment. Texas already passed on the Big 10 last year to stay in the Big 12 and in 13 years you will have four super-conferences of 16 teams that will not include the ACC. So FSU is going somewhere else ultimately to remain relevant. FSU, Miami, GT and CU add nothing to the SEC TV footprint so it makes complete sense to go to the Big 12. The move of these 4 to the Big 12 would likely trigger expansion by the SEC to NC and VA for TV reasons and they will be done. The Big 10 will likely scoop up the AAU members of the ACC. The real danger for FSU is that their leadership rejects the Big 12 now and gets left out. It could happen if the Big 12 moves on the other ACC teams.

    True, but the B12 adding FSU, Miami, GT and CU would allow the B12 to encroach on the SEC's footprint which, though unlikely might convince the SEC to counter offer a couple of the schools. While the SEC has never been concerned about the ACC, the B12 with the addition of those 4 schools could make an argument that they are the preeminent football conference. Either way it is a win win as far as I'm concerned, more money and a better schedule.

    GoNolez2004

  • GoNolez2004 said...

    True, but the B12 adding FSU, Miami, GT and CU would allow the B12 to encroach on the SEC's footprint which, though unlikely might convince the SEC to counter offer a couple of the schools. While the SEC has never been concerned about the ACC, the B12 with the addition of those 4 schools could make an argument that they are the preeminent football conference. Either way it is a win win as far as I'm concerned, more money and a better schedule.

    Yes, the SEC could counter and if they decide to be defensive instead of expanding their TV footprint , FSU would likely get their dream of being in the SEC. In any case, it is difficult to see any downside and a lot of upside in FSU bolting the ACC.

    InsightTexas

  • Orlando Sentinel's, Coley Harvey's twitter

    Texas Tech school officials dismiss rumors of FSU/Clemson possible exit to Big 12. "First I've heard of it," one high-up says.

    Ocalanole

  • GoNolez2004 said...

    True, but the B12 adding FSU, Miami, GT and CU would allow the B12 to encroach on the SEC's footprint which, though unlikely might convince the SEC to counter offer a couple of the schools. While the SEC has never been concerned about the ACC, the B12 with the addition of those 4 schools could make an argument that they are the preeminent football conference. Either way it is a win win as far as I'm concerned, more money and a better schedule.

    Here is something that seems to be getting little discussion. FSU is not in a bubble. The B12 may go after other ACC schools. The SEC may go after other ACC schools. For FSU to stand pat, they risk being left in a football gutted conference.

    DaddyO

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