Unconquered

So you're telling me that if there is an 8 team playoff then every game still wouldn't be huge and matter in CFB?

This response makes little sense to me. Alabama lost their division. Did not win its conference. Lost on its home field to the team it played in the BCS championship during the year. Won one game versus LSU, which had been undefeated all year, pulling 1-1 on the year against them and won the BCS despite LSU winning 1 of 2 games against Bama and its division and conference.

You can't devalue the regular season by who wins games in the post-season; whether playoffs or bowls. Simple fact is the only entrants in a playoff would be an AQ conference with potentially 1 or 2 at large bids. Or a simple 'plus 1' or 4 team playoff. Only the nation's elite teams will be in the playoffs. And those teams must have a great season to get there.

Also, whoever thinks a team would rest its starters against a rival to save for a conference championship is being intentionally dense. Now, that would (and currently does) happen against non-rival nonconference teams that are crappy.

To both of these points: how is that any different than the current system?

This is where we disagree.

I think we need a system that names the best team the champion as often as possible. In fact, i think what makes a system good is how often it sets up the best team to be the champion.

A playoff doesnt do this, it sets up the hot team at the end of the year to be the champion.

You should look at body of work, i dont want to see an "OK" team get lucky in 2 games at the end of the year and become the champion.

The difference is that these playoff scenario's not only screw up the bowl games (Which i love), but they also allow teams to play for titles that have no business playing for them.

College football currently has the best system for naming a champion outside of baseball.

Baseball is the best because teams are able to play a series, this isnt a possibility in football so playoffs dont make sense to me.

Look at the NFL.

Last year Green Bay BARELY made the playoffs. In fact, Green Bay shouldnt have even been in the playoffs. GB only made the playoffs because Tampa Bay got SCREWED by the ref's (Who had to come out and apologize for the bad call after the game).

So a team that shouldnt have even been in the playoffs wins the superbowl. That, to me, shows a BAD system for naming a champion. What that tells me is the NFL names the luckiest team its champion.

In college, you actually have to EARN the right to play for that title. Thats why i love it.

Well, yeah. But it seemed like you were mocking the original poster with your sarcasm. Who exactly was it pointed at? There aren't people running around saying that playoff games in a college football playoff wouldn't be exciting.

So you must not be a fan of upsets or underdogs. Why should the best team be the champ if they choke when it all matters? That determines a champ to me. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Can you guys really not see that you're making the damned argument that the playoff would diminish the regular season?

There is nothing for you to admit or accept because you don't have any more insight than anyone else watching this season.

The problem is No one can say Bama > Ok St. without proof. There is none. Heck, if anything, LSU got exposed too.

And now the "admittedly 2 best teams" are 1-1 against each other. Ok St. never played either in a game. Bama never even had to win a conference championship game. The whole system is run on paper thin arguments of arbitrary perception...and the "paper thin" has a double meaning, as in the media. Heck, even the SEC coaches colluded on votes to keep Ok St. out of the title game.

How do they become meaningless? The way it is now there are games that are still meaningless, most notably the "Game of the Century" earlier this season between LSU/Alabama. And how would a team like ISU lose any "triumph" just because they didn't eliminate OSU from contention? They still beat the #2 team in the country and the fans would have still rushed the field and gone crazy. Right now, who is the better team is subjective. OSU never played Bama/LSU so you can't say with 100% certainty that they are the better team...well, you can but that would just be your opinion and not proven. Labeling who has the "best team" is always subjective. That's why I'm in favor of determining a champion through a playoff of the best teams in the country. The regular season will still matter, but your season won't be over if you have one bad game on the road. Teams in the NFL can lose 8 games in a season and still make the playoffs. Baseball teams can lose 70+ games in a season and make the playoffs. Basketball teams can go sub .500 and make the playoffs. If you have a playoff in CFB, the maximum amount of games you'll be able to lose is still 2. Every game will still be important.

2008 Florida-Ole Miss game = meaningless.
2008 Texas-Oklahoma game (rivalry) = meaningless.
2007 LSU-Kentucky game (overtime thriller) = meaningless.
2007 LSU-Arkansas game = meaningless
2007 Ohio State-Illinois game = meaningless.

See? Shall I keep going? Since 2007, there have been 5 meaningless games played by the two teams in the MNC game that were lost. I think a greater number of meaningless games were won, but that stat is more difficult to track posthumously.

Again, no difference versus the current system on negatives.

We have a mini playoff for some conferences: Champ game

In 2010 FSU had very little depth
Jimbo went all in to be beat uf ( did not rest bang-up players for the ACC champ game ) we beat uf ! lost to VT ( we had very little left in the tank ) came back and beat SEC east champ in the bowl game. ( FSU re fueled for bowl game ). 2010 = happy FSU fans

If we had a 8 team playoff with major conference champs in it FSU would have rested some starters for uf game and would have gone all end vs VT - say we won that game and took one week off then started the playoffs.... the playoffs then become a game of match ups and attrition ( depth ) having to play tough game after game. ..... to off set this college teams would not go all in regular season games and or stop playing anyone good outside of conference ( to rest its top players for playoff run ). So FSU loses to uf ,beats VT but loses in first round of playoff 2010 = unhappy FSU fans.

Playoff work in the NFL - less teams plus if a number players get hurt at say OL you can go out an sign free agents during the season.

Thank you for your concern... Just joining in on the fun. My apologies.

Playoffs > BCS

The BCS kool-aid the public is drinking is a sham. Every other sport has a playoff, what the hell does college football get that those other sports dont? Not a damn thing.

If you are really good, go perfect in the playoffs and EARN your title. None of this sham voting crap.

Real go through the gauntlet of playoffs.

Playoffs = PROVE YOURSELF

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Every other sport has a playoff, what the hell does college football get that those other sports dont? Not a damn thing
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College football - played once a week (collision sport ) and have more than 100+ vs pro 32. Pro football = job.
I like the fact college teams have to "prove yourself" every week not just playoffs or bowl game.
College football fans show up in larger numbers for home, away and bowl games than any other college game but will they show up for 3 playoff games on the road ? $$$$$ and time. In basketball top teams like UK or UNC bring 10,000 fans to playoff games but get a chance to see its team 2 days later if they win but college football fans bring 30,000 plus fans to one bowl game and or conference champ game.
College football since you only play a team once ( before re-match BS ) makes for better rivals than any other sport !

You said -Real go through the gauntlet of playoffs. - true and why teams would then play nobody outside of conference during the year ( how that prove whose the best teams )..... you may also see conferences get smaller like they did when college basketball only took conference champs ( SC left ACC , GT left SEC ) which might be a good thing .