Unconquered

Sooooo... Is FSU signed, sealed and delivered to the Big 12 this summer?

If this new "playoff" system is pretty much a done deal, then I feel we need to make the move to the big 12. Getting to that top 4 ranking will be much harder for an undefeated FSU team, unlike an undefeated texas or OU team. The competition is simply better. Simple.

I'm not really buying the travel argument; flying to texas, oklahoma, colorado really isnt MORE taxing than flying to MD, VA or boston.

I'm all for the move.

To answer all the responses at once:

1. Travel to Big12 wouldn't be much more, here's why. Travel to BC/Pitt/Syracuse versus Big12 is comperable. Secondly, if you take 3 teams with you, and West Virginia would already be "here"... then you have a "Big 12 East" which you would play all the teams....so you'd only be playing "Texas teams" 3-4 games a year max. Then take that number and half-it.. because of home-home situations.

2. Yes, this new playoff system is a done deal. The exact model, money distribution, etc, is being debated.

3. An undefeated FSU team would never miss the top 4... and the playoffs. That would never happen, the SOS (strength of schedule) ranking alone would guarantee entry. There would literally have to be 5 undefeated teams with FSU somehow getting the weakest schedule and lowest votes. Won't happen.

Ok, I get your point, and it's with spectic respects to what I said about the ACC - They're in that playoffs once int he last 10 years.

Yes, the SEC is on a tear like FSU was in the 90's. Yes things in CFB rotate, parity in basic form, exists.

True, true and true.

Now remember.. this "new playoff money" is basically the top 4 teams. You'd agree yes? Sure the final 2 playing for the title will get more.. but let's just focus on the basics here... top 4 for simplification.

Do you deny that the SEC is pretty much going to always have a team in the top 4 at the end of the year.. and that means almost a yearly paycheck supplement. Do you dispute this? If not every year, then how about 8/10 at least?

The Big12, the way it is now, will like be in that top 4 about 50% or more of the time.

Where do you project the ACC, as they stand now, in that playoffs?

Do you not see that, as things stand now, it's going to be really hard for the "ACC to keep pace" on getting a team in that playoffs yearly, to keep up with all the other conferences getting that big payday?

Do you really thing FSU is going to have another run like we did in the 90's? Do you believe that? As much as I love FSU, the chance of that happening again before both of us die is about 5% on the high-side.

The SEC isn't going anywhere. They have every tangible advantage a conference could want. Huge TV deals giving them insane amounts of money. A footprint that covers where most of the football talent in this country is located. Lets face it, other than California, the best talent comes from the SEC footprint. Add in fans, willingness to spend money on football, exposure, etc., and while I agree there are trends, but I don't see the SEC falling out of #1 any time soon.

B10 may make a lot of money, but what they don't have is the talent base. The geographical location of the teams within the Big Ten prevents it from ever getting close to the SEC in terms of the number of talented teams. They may have an Ohio State and a Michigan, but they will never have Bama, Arkansas, LSU, UGA, UF, etc. that are all playing good simultaneously.

The B12 has the talent base to work with, but it is the money where they fall behind the SEC. To me, the conference that I can see making a huge jump is the P12. Lots of money, which is apparent by the coaches entering this conference (Mike Leach, Jim Mora Jr., Rich Rodriguez).

Regardless, I think the SEC getting 1 team in that top 4 every single season is obvious. Lets face, the other 3 teams will always be, B10, B12, P12, ACC, SEC #2, or a miracle team from Big East, MWC, or ND. I think the ACC has the potential to have a top 4 team up to 50% of the time. While recent history may not indicate that, when we look at the teams in this conference I think almost everyone can agree that FSU and Miami have had their worst decade in a long time. VaTech has been hovering around the top 4-7 for 15 years now. Clemson hasn't finished in the top 4, but they have been ranked in the top 4 during the regular season in November multiple times (sure they screw it up, but it shows the potential is there).

Ultimately, the question is, do we leave or do we stay in the ACC. I think if the status quo in the ACC holds, we need to leave. I don't really want to, because while most people don't care, I like being in a conference that values academics, unlike the B12 which is even worse than the SEC in academics. I like being in a conference where we at least have something in common with the teams we play every year. And lastly, the ACC is better than the B12 in every other sport other than football. That being said, I still think we should leave, because at the end of the day, if we don't have the money to keep our coaches in all sports, then we can't let this conference hold us back.

There is only 1 way I think we should stay in the ACC and that is if Notre Dame enters. If ND enters it gives us a huge boost in money without having to sacrifice all of the advantages the ACC does have. I think our conference still is very winnable, but difficult enough where we get credit for winning it.

Well said Crozea55....

I'd agree with every word except that I expect Virginia Tech to fall back to being Virginia Tech after Coach Beamer is gone. I think the run they've had the last 10 years is their "peak" of sorts.

England will never fall. They have every tangible advantage a country could want. Huge trade routes, that give them insane amounts of money, a huge advanced Navy, and a established government in every area of the world........just saying.......read your history everything cycles out even those with extreme advantages.