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  • I'm going to keep doing this until it catches on, so y'all might as well just participate.

    What is your favorite trick or gadget play, and why? Don't just say "flea flicker", tell me how the play works.

    Also, how do you know/guesstimate when a trick play would succeed? Are there certain game situations where there is a likelihood of success, or is it about a gut feeling?

    Feel free to also share your favorite play in general, just thought I'd provide a theme.

    FSULaura

  • I'll bite :) I like the Option Reverse Pass.

    Line up at 4 wide with 1 RB. At snap, QB and RB run a option (i'll say strong side) and slot WR cuts back and runs in opposite direction towards QB. QB can either run the option play, hand it off to the WR, fake it to WR and continue regular play or make it into an option pass. If QB hands to WR, the WR will pass down field or complete the reverse.

    It is predicated on an over aggressive defense biting on the option or percieved run play. It also beats up a team that is cheating up to cover an option. Something like this is risky since it takes extra time to develop and with so many moving parts and split decisions, there is alot of chances for something to go terribly wrong. I imagine a play like this in the 3rd or 4th quarter with a relatively comfortable lead. I imagine it would work maybe 5% of the time though, depending on the quality of the D.

    sdawgfather

  • I really like this topic.

    Trick Play: Triple Option Reverse. FSU has ran this play a few times, but I find it extremely effective. Line up in shotgun with a running back on each side of the quarterback, and a slot reciever on the short side of the field. QB fakes a handoff to the back on the WR side, then runs an option with the other running back. The WR starts running opposite the flow and intercepts the pitch to the running back and takes it the other way. Hopefully I described that correctly.

    Favorite Play: I'm simple here. My favorite play is the counter run. Line up in an I formation and you fake a dive to one side and hand it off the other way. While the qb gets the snap the backs take a counter step toward the fake side and then shoots through the designed hole. The guard on the fake side pulls (instead of blocking the guy in front the lineman runs to the other side of the line and gets a kickout block on the DE/LB). The reason i like this play is it gets the LB's on their heels. If you have a good FB and a good pulling guard you can dominate with this play.

    gladiator26

  • My favorite has to be the ol statue of liberty play, probably because of the shear ridiculousness of it. Traditionally (when I was a kid) qb took the snap and pulled back like he was going to throw and either a wideout or the rb would snatch it from his throwing hand from behind... then cut up field.

    The most famous version I've seen was during that epic boise state/ou bowl game. But on that one I'm pretty sure the ball was in the non throwing hand and given to rb via a behind the back. Ep-ic.

    As far as when to call it, I say that while there are plenty technical reasons, such as over pursuit by the d, or them being lulled by repition, the real time to call them is when your balls have reached proper size and steel-like density. And never before. Just ask Bobby, he'll tell ya.

    rigginole

  • FSULaura said...

    I'm going to keep doing this until it catches on, so y'all might as well just participate.

    What is your favorite trick or gadget play, and why? Don't just say "flea flicker", tell me how the play works.

    Also, how do you know/guesstimate when a trick play would succeed? Are there certain game situations where there is a likelihood of success, or is it about a gut feeling?

    Feel free to also share your favorite play in general, just thought I'd provide a theme.

    Laura. Glad to see you brought this topic back to life! It's always been on of my favs.

    I like the throwback pass, or halfback pass as some used to call it.
    RB or WR swings out into the flat and takes a long lateral or backward pass from the QB. Receiver fakes a long pass down field to the same side of the field he's on, and then throws a pass to the QB who has sneaked out down the field on the other side. I like it's chances from about the opponents 35 yard line or farther away, as any closer in, and the short field is easier to cover for the D. I think this got successfully run against us last year if I remember right.

    I think it has about a 50-60% chance of success, especially if it's set up by doing a lot of flat passes and reverses earlier in the game. Most times I've seen it, esp. throwing back to the QB, it seemed to work.

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    Nashnole

  • And while we're at it, here's a play I think we should run: fake wr screen.

    We all know how fond our boy is of the "bubble" screen. And it can be pretty darn effective. However, if we run it a lot dbs tend to start trying to jump the route. I always thought it would be good to pump fake the screen, then have one of the lead blocking wrs slide behind the dbs and throw to him.

    Seems like if done correctly it would leave only a safety to beat.

    rigginole

  • Thanks for the responses. Your answers to the initial question are usually what prompt my "dumb" follow ups that really help me understand the game better. Such as....

    What is the flat?

    btw, upvotes freely given by me to those who respond in these threads ;)

    FSULaura

  • The fake spike. Dan Marino torched the Jets with it for a game winning TD with less than a min left. Beautiful!

    The reason I like it is because it works a decent percentage of the time. Always with no timeouts and less than a minute left in the 4th and down by a TD or less. If it doesn't work there is no harm because clock stops with 3-4 secs less than it would have with the spike. All the lineman, RB, and WR's except for the one guy going for catch stand straight up and walk around like there is nothing going on and the ball was spiked. The whole defense is like "WTF, doh!". Hahahaah suck it Jets...

    This post was edited by Jadaway on 6/23/2011 at 2:26 PM

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    Dan Marino Fake Spike Victory

    Miami Dolphins 28 x 24 NY Jets "but the kick was never needed"

    http://www.youtube.com/v/eZfzr9tB4oo

    Jadaway

  • Whatever the play called that PW torched the Gates for a TD pass. That's a fav play of mine.

    Jadaway

  • FSULaura said...

    Thanks for the responses. Your answers to the initial question are usually what prompt my "dumb" follow ups that really help me understand the game better. Such as....

    What is the flat?

    btw, upvotes freely given by me to those who respond in these threads ;)

    The "flat", is the area outside the end of the line of scrimmage on either side, running from about 10 yards behind the line to roughly the same in front. Least that's my understanding, there are probably others here that can give a more technospeak answer.

    BTW, you're not the only one that benefits from this topic. Even after some 55 years of playing and observing the game of tackle football, I glean nuggets from some of the responses. Sometimes its just different terminology from my playing days, and sometimes it's 'cause the game changes all the time, with new stuff going on.

    One thing - the strategy coaches use is of high interest to me. I like to read other - more knowledgeable poster like Canolee, etc. hold forth on stuff.

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    Nashnole

  • One of my favorites is an onside kick on the opening kickoff. Or one coming out of halftime. We did this to our rival back in high school and it worked perfectly. The other team was so pumped as were we for the kickoff it didn't even register in there mind that we would do something like that as an underdog.

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    spearhead9399

  • I have a soft spot for the flea flicker since it worked so well in Tecmo Bowl.

    The one Jimbo ran a few years ago where everyone was looking at our receivers and Antone made the pitch back and slipped out on the weak side for a huge gain was a thing of beauty.

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    healthguyfsu

  • My favorite is a series of plays intended to set up another play. Over the course of the game just keep running a draw (a play where the QB takes the snap and acts like he's going to throw but then gives it to the RB who runs straight into the offensive and defensive linemen).

    So, you run about 40-50 draws throughout the entire game. Finally, in the 4th quarter when the game is on the line and there is time for one more pivotal play, you run the draw. Defense never sees it coming.

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    SteveIsTall

  • Jadaway said...

    The fake spike. Dan Marino torched the Jets with it for a game winning TD with less than a min left. Beautiful!

    The reason I like it is because it works a decent percentage of the time. Always with no timeouts and less than a minute left in the 4th and down by a TD or less. If it doesn't work there is no harm because clock stops with 3-4 secs less than it would have with the spike. All the lineman, RB, and WR's except for the one guy going for catch stand straight up and walk around like there is nothing going on and the ball was spiked. The whole defense is like "WTF, doh!". Hahahaah suck it Jets...

    Wasn't bad but they way you described it I think the dolphins could have sold it a little better and would need to in today's college games where trickeration is more common.

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  • healthguyfsu said...

    Wasn't bad but they way you described it I think the dolphins could have sold it a little better and would need to in today's college games where trickeration is more common.

    Agree. The video looks more like the dolphins were a little bit slow as opposed to running a trick play. There was even a defender on the receiver.

    FSULaura

  • FSULaura said...

    Agree. The video looks more like the dolphins were a little bit slow as opposed to running a trick play. There was even a defender on the receiver.

    Moving slow was part of the rouse.

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    SteveIsTall

  • My favorite trick play is the puntrooskie. You call it on the road in a hostile enviroment with the score tied and a minute and 33 seconds to go... not to mention at the 20 yard line.

    My favorite play that was somewhat of a trick play was the direct snap to the HB. I loved it when we ran this with Dunn in the 90's.

    This is off the favorite play topic, but a topic that every girl should know about football. If her guy is in the middle of a NCAA 11 game and she notices his beer is empty. She should bring him another, so he doesnt have to pause.

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    FSU Puntrooskie 1988

    http://www.youtube.com/v/gb9CLD0CjjM

    tkeyphi

  • Only the greatest trick play of all time....

    The Annexation of Puerto Rico...fast forward to 6:20

    This post was edited by TNoles813 on 6/23/2011 at 5:07 PM

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    The Little Giants Part 10 (Final)

    Last part from the movie The Little Giants... Disclaimer: I Do Not Own Any Of This Movie or sound clip... No copyright infringement intended. For entertainment purposes only. The Little Giants and its soundtrack belongs to its respective owners.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/kBIPadHsEvs

    TNoles813

  • I wanna see EJ make this play.....

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    Driscoll Middle School Trick Play

    http://www.youtube.com/v/0UIdI8khMkw

    Jadaway

  • Nashnole said...

    Laura. Glad to see you brought this topic back to life! It's always been on of my favs.

    I like the throwback pass, or halfback pass as some used to call it. RB or WR swings out into the flat and takes a long lateral or backward pass from the QB. Receiver fakes a long pass down field to the same side of the field he's on, and then throws a pass to the QB who has sneaked out down the field on the other side. I like it's chances from about the opponents 35 yard line or farther away, as any closer in, and the short field is easier to cover for the D. I think this got successfully run against us last year if I remember right.

    I think it has about a 50-60% chance of success, especially if it's set up by doing a lot of flat passes and reverses earlier in the game. Most times I've seen it, esp. throwing back to the QB, it seemed to work.

    The throwback pass is my favorite trick play, for sentimental reasons. My earliest football memory is sitting in the Big House at Michigan watching Charlie Ward and Casey Weldon perfectly execute this play.

    Charliebrown88

  • I try to let my wife know what is going on when ever she asks, but it's very hard to do...

    This post was edited by SC_Nole on 6/23/2011 at 7:07 PM

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    SC_Nole

  • I've had a lot of success with trick plays. My favorite is one that we got from Chris Hatcher when he was at Georgia Southern. We just call it "Jaws". Technically it would be Doubles Left Hap Stretch Left Reverse Pitch Back Pass. So you can understand why we just call it Jaws.

    We line up in Doubles, motion the right slot over to both kick out/protect against a trailer on the reverse man and to also get the secondary to roll their coverage to trips. Then run stretch/outside zone left and he flips it to the left slot on a reverse. The QB just drifts back and to the right after the handoff. The reverse man attacks the end man on the LOS and pitches it to the QB like an option. The right WR gets lost inside during all of the misdirection and then gets on a corner route. The left WR runs a lazy post. The QB has a run pass option. Usually the right WR is the open man because that corner comes up to play the reverse.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by sunshinescooner on 6/23/2011 at 7:41 PM

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  • FSU_Charliebrown88 said...

    The throwback pass is my favorite trick play, for sentimental reasons. My earliest football memory is sitting in the Big House at Michigan watching Charlie Ward and Casey Weldon perfectly execute this play.

    "Crocodile"

    We had ran this play for years, but it wasn't until Casey joined our staff for the 08 season that it finally worked for us. The story goes, that they got the play from Spurrier, hence the name they gave it. Coincidentally, USC scored on this play against us in the Peach Bowl last year on around the 5.

    The key is to motion to the throw to get the defense to shift to that side and have the backside WR get across the field as fast as possible to take the secondary with him. The OL and QB subtly get to sneak out and create a wall for the QB after the throwback.

    This post was edited by sunshinescooner on 6/23/2011 at 7:40 PM

    sunshinescooner

  • Wrong ball coach! Haha...

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    http://www.youtube.com/v/WPQy16anGfI
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    spearhead9399

  • Fake hand-off on your own 2 yard line throw to the wide open WR for a TD.

    2002nole