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THE TRUTH ABOUT URBAN MEYER

  • The uproar and controversy of Urban Meyer’s stunning recruiting coup at Ohio State settled in and Stefon Diggs, still on the Buckeyes' wish list, was debating his future.

    Diggs, the second-highest rated wide receiver in the country, had narrowed his list of potential schools to Maryland, Florida and Ohio State. For more than a week following National Signing Day on Feb. 1, and before Diggs eventually signed with Maryland, Meyer relentlessly pursued Diggs.

    Urban Meyer's great success at Florida comes at a price. (AP Photo)
    Multiple sources told Sporting News that Meyer—who won two national championships in six years at Florida and cemented his legacy as one of the game’s greatest coaches—told the Diggs family that he wouldn’t let his son go to Florida because of significant character issues in the locker room.

    Character issues that we now know were fueled by a culture Meyer created. Character issues that gutted what was four years earlier the most powerful program in college football.

    — Ranking college football coaches: Where does Urban Meyer stand?

    It was Meyer who declared the Florida program “broken” at the end of his last regular season game in Gainesville in November of 2010. But why was it broken?

    “Over the last two years he was there,” one former player said, “the players had taken complete control of the team.”

    Only now, through interviews with multiple sources during a three-month Sporting News investigation, do we see just how damaged the infrastructure really was and how much repair work second-year coach Will Muschamp has had to undertake in replacing Meyer—who has moved on to Ohio State less than a year after resigning from Florida for health reasons.

    Meyer denies allegations that he cast Florida and its players in a dark light when he spoke to the Diggs family, and said, “I love Florida; I’ll always be a Gator. My motives were pure as gold when I left. We left Florida because I was dealing with health issues that I’ve since learned how to control.”

    — At Ohio State, Meyer's ability to control players will be watched

    But multiple former players and others close to the program say the timing of his departure was also tied to the roster he left behind. Remember it was Meyer who hinted the program that won 13 games in 2006, 2008 and 2009—and lost only 10 games from 2005-09—was flawed beyond the unsuspecting eye.

    Now those issues have surfaced for all to see. Left in the wake of Meyer’s resignation were problems that can destroy a coaching career: drug use among players, a philosophy of preferential treatment for certain players, a sense of entitlement among all players and roster management by scholarship manipulation.

    The coach who holds himself above the seedy underbelly of the game; who as an ESPN television analyst in 2011 publicly berated the ills of college football; left a program mired in the very things he has criticized.

    “The program,” former Florida safety Bryan Thomas said, “was out of control.”

    Circle game

    Ironically, Florida’s downfall began at the height of Meyer’s success—the 2008 national championship season. Three seasons of enabling and pandering to elite players—what Meyer’s players called his “Circle of Trust”—began to tear away at what he’d put together.

    “I’ve never heard of Circle of Trust before in my life,” Meyer said.

    Former players, though, contend it was the foundation of Florida’s culture under Meyer. In the season opener against Hawaii, Meyer said a few elite players (including wideout Percy Harvin, linebacker Brandon Spikes and tight end Aaron Hernandez) would miss the game with injuries. According to multiple sources, the three players—all critical factors in Florida’s rise under Meyer—failed drug tests for marijuana and were sitting out as part of standard university punishment.

    By publicly stating the three were injured and not being disciplined, former players say, Meyer was creating a divide between the haves and have-nots on the team.

    — David Whitley: All this Meyer criticism needs to fade away

    “They were running with us on the first team all week in practice,” one former player said. “The next thing you know, they’re on the sidelines with a (walking) boot for the season opener like they were injured. Of course players see that and respond to it.”

    It was Harvin, more than anyone, who epitomized the climate Meyer created. While former players say Harvin always was treated differently as a member of Meyer’s Circle of Trust, it was the beginning of his sophomore season—after he helped lead the Gators to the 2006 national title—that it became blatant. That's also when it began to contribute negatively toward team chemistry.

    During offseason conditioning before the 2007 season, the team was running stadium steps and at one point, Harvin, according to sources, sat down and refused to run. When confronted by strength and conditioning coaches, Harvin—who failed to return calls and texts to his cell phone to comment on this story—said, “This (expletive) ends now.”

    “The next day,” a former player said, “we were playing basketball as conditioning.”

    It only got worse as Harvin’s career progressed. At one point during the 2008 season, multiple sources confirmed that Harvin, now a prominent member of the Minnesota Vikings, physically attacked wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales, grabbing him by the neck and throwing him to the ground. Harvin had to be pulled off Gonzales by two assistant coaches—but was never disciplined.

    When asked about the Harvin incident, Gonzales—now offensive coordinator at Illinois—said, “I think it’s a little overblown. I mean, every great player wants his voice to be heard.”

    Said Meyer: “Something did happen and something was handled. I don’t think it’s fair to Percy Harvin or Billy Gonzales to talk about it.”

    Gonzales left Florida for LSU—a lateral move—after the 2009 season, and did so by placing his keys, cell phone and resignation letter on Meyer’s desk. There were rumors that Gonzales resigned with a Post-it note on Meyer’s desk.

    “I never left a Post-it note,” Gonzales said. “Urban and I have talked since. He’ll do great things at Ohio State.”

    That is, unless he hasn’t learned from his time at Florida.

    Maelstrom in Gainesville

    Even as the unprecedented success at Florida continued, a mounting number of players were dragging the Gators’ name down a path of drugs and destruction. At least 30 players were arrested in Meyer’s six seasons. Instances of substance abuse were often linked to his most prized athletes. NFL teams took notice.

    Hernandez admitted to failing a drug test at Florida, a problem that cut his draft stock from first-round grade to fourth-round selection by the New England Patriots. Harvin, according to multiple reports, failed a drug test at the NFL Scouting Combine and slipped from a top-10 pick to the latter half of the first round.

    — Ohio State invests in coach who no longer is iron clad

    Spikes, sources said, failed a drug test at Florida and was suspended four games during his rookie season with the Patriots for using performance enhancing drugs. Offensive lineman Maurice Hurt, according to multiple reports, last year tested positive for marijuana at the Combine. He fell to the Washington Redskins in the seventh round—and later developed into a starting guard in his rookie season.

    Just how prevalent was the drug use among Meyer’s players? A source told Sporting News that Patriots coach Bill Belichick spoke to the current Florida team this offseason, and addressed the issue and how it impacts NFL careers.

    “His message was, in essence, don’t be like those guys,” a source said.

    But none of those aforementioned drug problems was as prominent as All-American cornerback Janoris Jenkins', who, like Harvin, former players say, was protected by Meyer’s Circle of Trust. Jenkins failed a drug test at Florida under Meyer and was arrested for his part in a bar fight. He was later arrested twice for possession of marijuana within the first few months Muschamp was on the job.

    In fact, in the first month of Muschamp’s tenure, three players—Jenkins, linebacker Chris Martin and defensive end Kedric Johnson—were arrested in separate incidents for possession of marijuana.

    When he was dismissed from the team by Muschamp, Jenkins told the Orlando Sentinel: “If (Meyer) was still the coach at Florida, I’d still be there.”

    This is the same Jenkins who, according to sources, walked out on Meyer’s postgame speech after the 2008 season opener and threatened to quit. Meyer not only brought Jenkins back without punishment, Jenkins eventually developed into a freshman All-American and played a big role in the team’s championship run.

    Meyer says Jenkins “is a good kid who made a bad mistake,” and contends he was dealing with issues at Florida that occur at “every program in the country.” Every coach, he says, has his own way of dealing with them.

    “I am very proud of our guys that played at Florida,” Meyer said. “Are there issues? Yes there are with 18-22-year-olds. I have been criticized that I have been too lenient on players; that doesn’t concern me. We are going to go out of our way to mentor, educate and discipline guys the way we see fit to make sure they’re headed in the right direction. Are we perfect? I never said that. We do the best we can and I think our record has been really positive in the impact we’ve made on those people.”

    The biggest impact, former players say, was for those in the Circle of Trust. It wasn’t so much a focus on trust as it was a revelation of talent. If you could play and contribute, you were part of the chosen few.

    “(Meyer) lost the team’s respect,” Thomas said. “That kind of stuff spreads through the players. They see what they can get away with, and they push it. Even the star players; they liked him because they were in the Circle of Trust. But it backfired on him. They didn’t respect him.”

    Said Meyer: "Was I dealing with entitlement issues? Yes. But they were great kids. If they weren't, I would've gotten rid of them."

    Recruiting and reaction

    "Over the last two years he was there the players had taken complete control of the team."
    One way of ridding a program of undesirables is roster management. Recruiting is the lifeblood of all programs; a direct correlation exists between winning at recruiting and winning on fall Saturdays.

    Few do it better than Meyer. Few are as ruthless when it comes to recruiting—and when it comes to making room for recruits. Thomas was a four-star recruit from Zephyrhills, Fla., and had a series of knee injuries hinder his development.

    After the 2008 season, Thomas says he was told he had to “move on” because he wasn’t in the team’s plans for 2009.

    — Ohio State recruits like idea of Meyer as coach

    “I told (Meyer) I was on track to graduate, I wasn’t a problem and I did everything I was supposed to do—I just had a knee injury,” Thomas said. “I told them I wasn’t leaving, and if they tried to force me to leave, I was going to tell everyone everything."

    The next day, Thomas says he was given a medical hardship letter by position coach Chuck Heater stating Thomas had an injury that would prohibit him from playing football. The medical hardship scholarship doesn’t count against the NCAA limit of 85, and allows the affected player to stay on academic scholarship.

    It also made room for another recruit. Meyer denied this tactic of roster management.

    — Muschamp adds three to 2012 recruiting class

    “As a coach, I don’t have any say in the medical decisions,” Meyer said. “If the doctors say a player can’t play any longer, he can’t play.”

    Thomas signed the medical hardship, stayed at Florida for the 2009 season and graduated before transferring to then-Division II North Alabama. With eligibility remaining, he played in 23 games over the next two seasons and was an All-Gulf South Conference selection. He recently worked out for NFL scouts at North Alabama’s Pro Day, and was in Gainesville for Florida’s Pro Day.

    Thomas may be the only player who will publicly speak out against Meyer. Many others are fearful of Meyer’s ability to hurt their NFL prospects. Every other player contacted for this story asked to be unidentified.

    “As far as coaching, there’s no one else like (Meyer); he’s a great coach,” Thomas said. “He gets players to do things you never thought you could do. But he’s a bad person. He’ll win at Ohio State. But if he doesn’t change, they’re going to have the same problems.”

    Will Columbus discover trouble?

    Before he walked on the field this spring to coach his first practice at Ohio State, Meyer ran into two more significant problems.

    According to sources, Wisconsin accused Meyer and his staff of using former Ohio State NFL players to call high school recruits. Wisconsin also accused Meyer and his staff of bumping into offensive lineman Kyle Dodson, who was committed to the Badgers but eventually flipped and signed with the Buckeyes. The practice of “bumping” occurs when coaches accidentally “bump” into players during recruiting dead periods.

    Both the alleged phone calls and bumping are NCAA violations.

    When asked about the specific charges, Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema declined comment, but told Sporting News a day after National Signing Day that, “I wasn’t upset with Urban because of a gentlemen’s agreement. It was something else that I don’t want to get into. I told him what I knew, and he said he would take care of it and he did.”

    — Bielema complains | No apology from Meyer

    Meyer said the alleged incidents happened “before I was hired—in December, but I can’t remember the exact timeline.” Meyer was hired at Ohio State on Nov. 28, 2011.

    He said when he heard of the allegations, he asked the coaches involved and they denied any wrongdoing. Meyer said Ohio State hasn’t self-reported anything to the NCAA regarding those allegations, “because they’re not true.”

    “Let me make one thing very clear,” Meyer said. “There are no issues with Urban Meyer and the NCAA.”

    Ohio State is serving the first of two years of NCAA probation for several violations committed under former coach Jim Tressel, including multiple players receiving impermissible benefits. The football program could be a repeat violator if charged with an NCAA violation over the next two years, where additional severe penalties could be handed down.

    During the heat of recruiting season, another dust-up arose in Columbus. It was the “gentlemen’s agreement”—a loosely held ideal among Big Ten coaches about backing off verbally committed high school players—that got Meyer into a dicey moment.

    — David Whitley: Big Ten has more integrity than SEC

    Meyer and his staff got eight players to back off verbal commitments and sign with the Buckeyes, and a few Big Ten coaches—including Bielema and Michigan State coach Mark Dantonio—spoke about the understanding among league coaches at press conferences.

    A few days later, during a speech to the state of Ohio’s high school coaches clinic, Meyer scoffed at the notion of the “gentlemen’s agreement” proclaiming, “You’re pissed because we went after a committed guy? Guess what? We got nine (coaches) who better go do it again. Do it a little harder next time.”

    But less than two weeks earlier, sources say Ohio State running backs coach Stan Drayton called a Florida assistant coach to discuss the recruitment of Lakeland, Fla., wideout Ricquan Southward, who was committed to Ohio State but was still being recruited by Florida. Drayton, sources say, told Gators’ wide receivers coach Aubrey Hill that Meyer and Muschamp had a “gentlemen’s agreement” about committed players—and that Hill should back off recruiting Southward.

    Southward eventually signed with Ohio State.

    “I did not tell Stan Drayton that we had a gentleman’s agreement with Will,” Meyer said. “Now, I don’t know what Stan said to (Hill) in their conversation.”

    Hill declined comment. Muschamp also declined and said: “I’m focusing on our team getting better—not anyone or anything else.”

    It’s a still fragile program demanding no less.

    Coming off the bottom

    By the end of Muschamp’s first season, Florida failed to have a first-team All-SEC selection for the first time in 40 years. For the first time since 2004, Florida failed to have an underclassman in the NFL Draft. The Gators had only two players at the NFL Combine, the lowest number since the event moved to Indianapolis in 1985. Fifteen true freshmen—players Muschamp recruited—played for the Gators in 2011.

    By the time Florida beat Ohio State in the Gator Bowl (while Meyer was recruiting for the Buckeyes), Muschamp’s weeding out process of players who wouldn’t buy into his philosophy had whittled the roster to 72 scholarship players—13 under the NCAA limit.

    The 6-6 regular season record was Florida’s worst since 1987. The “broken” program—Meyer’s words—had hit rock bottom.

    “To put it all on a sense of entitlement or a few other things that happened, I disagree,” Meyer said. “It comes down to players.”

    When asked how such a dysfunctional team won the national title in 2008, one former player said, “We had better players than everyone else. It’s that’s simple. We had (Tim) Tebow. We played without our next best player (Harvin) who was injured for the SEC (Championship Game), and still beat an Alabama team that would’ve beaten Oklahoma, too.”

    Meyer points to the loss of five juniors to the NFL after the 2009 season as the reason for Florida’s regression in 2010. There was also a new quarterback, a factor contributing to the loss of five games. While he says he left Florida with talent—the Gators had a top 10 defense in 2011—last year’s team also struggled to overcome quarterback injuries, among other problems.

    Florida last month began Year 2 under Muschamp. Spring practice featured several young players battling for starting spots and a high-profile quarterback competition between sophomores Jeff Driskel and Jacoby Brissett.

    Meyer, having replaced the ousted and beloved Tressel a year after Luke Fickell served as interim, began his first spring in Columbus trying to install a new offense, and getting players “to do the right things and be good people on and off the field — like I have done everywhere I have coached.” Both coaches are rebuilding while dealing with significant baggage.

    Only one is connected to both.

    Muschamp declined to be interviewed for this story, but in an interview with Sporting News last month, he hinted that things aren’t always what they seem.

    “This team is 15-11 over the last two years,” Muschamp said. “I always look at the difference between reality and perception. Sometimes perception isn’t always what reality is.”

    Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc#ixzz1rZBeceC9

    From champs to chomped: How Urban Meyer broke Florida football - NCAA Football - Sporting News

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-04-09/urban-meyer-florida-ohio-state-ncaa-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc

    aol.sportingnews.com
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  • Please, god don't let anyone quote the OP here...

    Also yeah, I just read this. Interesting stuff.

    EnterTheOcho

  • "One of the game's greatest coaches"

    Is that referring to all-time, currently, or just in the state of Ohio? Sure, they had success when Jesus Christ himself was playing quarterback for them...then he proved he couldn't transform very good talent into a group of winners the year after. Is he really a good coach or does he have Ohio State fooled?

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  • Wow.

    aetnole

  • Great read. I knew Meyer's was a snake in the grass.

    MiamiNole

  • MiamiNole said...

    Great read. I knew Meyer's was a snake in the grass.

    I feel bad for Ohio State, they might be in for a rude awakening after all is said and done.

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  • datcanes305 said...

    I feel bad for Ohio State, they might be in for a rude awakening after all is said and done.

    Yeah 2 NC's in 6 years would be a brutal pill to swallow for Ohio St fans...

    BuckeyeSteves

  • datcanes305 said...

    I feel bad for Ohio State, they might be in for a rude awakening after all is said and done.

    I would not be surprised if he doesn't find the same success at OSU as he did at UF. His formula only works in a four year window and I don't think OSU has the type of talent on campus UF did when he arrived.

    PVBNole

  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Yeah 2 NC's in 6 years would be a brutal pill to swallow for Ohio St fans...

    Dude can recruit lights out, but isn't a great coach and is probation waiting to happen. He's a scumbag POS, and everyone realizes that but Buckeye fans.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

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  • Why anyone who knows CFB would be surprised by that article is beyond me. That said, dude is paid to win football games and championships, and thats what he did, save the "holier than thou" bs for sunday school.

    MY God, 20 yr olds smoke weed!!!!

    Who knew???

    Percy Harvin is/was a prima donna???

    I am shocked

    Preferrential treatment for top players???

    Never heard of that before...

    Pbenuncensored2

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Why anyone who knows CFB would be surprised by that article is beyond me. That said, dude is paid to win football games and championships, and thats what he did, save the "holier than thou" bs for sunday school.

    MY God, 20 yr olds smoke weed!!!!

    Who knew???

    Percy Harvin is/was a prima donna???

    I am shocked

    Preferrential treatment for top players???

    Never heard of that before...

    Enlighten us with your prior knowledge man, since you seem to know everything and please don't use that excuse everybody does it. I want to know facts, not opinionated comments, leave that stuff for the weak and uneducated!

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  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Yeah 2 NC's in 6 years would be a brutal pill to swallow for Ohio St fans...

    Assume everything in that article is true.

    Would you take those 2 NC's knowing that years 7, 8 , 9, 10 etc. could be rebuilding and attempting to get back to the elite level you were at after your previous HC left your program in such disarray?

    semineer

  • semineer said...

    Assume everything in that article is true.

    Would you take those 2 NC's knowing that years 7, 8 , 9, 10 etc. could be rebuilding and attempting to get back to the elite level you were at after your previous HC left your program in such disarray?

    Fair point.

    You forget one huge difference. Rebuilding in the SEC is light years more difficult then rebuilding int he B1G. It wouldn't take Ohio St 4 years to recover in the B1G. As you will see this fall they would probably only be down a year or two tops.

    And to answer your question, would I take 2 NC's in 6 seasons knowing full well we would suck in years 7-10....yep, sure would.

    BuckeyeSteves

  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Fair point.

    You forget one huge difference. Rebuilding in the SEC is light years more difficult then rebuilding int he B1G. It wouldn't take Ohio St 4 years to recover in the B1G. As you will see this fall they would probably only be down a year or two tops.

    And to answer your question, would I take 2 NC's in 6 seasons knowing full well we would suck in years 7-10....yep, sure would.

    Urbie and Tosu is a match made in heaven. This article doesn't scratch the surface of stories I've heard about him.

    On another note, its funny how the very fans who criticized him 5 years ago are now making excuses for him.

    This post was edited by noleinohio on 4/9/2012 at 2:53 PM

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  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Fair point.

    You forget one huge difference. Rebuilding in the SEC is light years more difficult then rebuilding int he B1G. It wouldn't take Ohio St 4 years to recover in the B1G. As you will see this fall they would probably only be down a year or two tops.

    And to answer your question, would I take 2 NC's in 6 seasons knowing full well we would suck in years 7-10....yep, sure would.

    You're clearly joking right, easier to rebuild in the Big 10? You do realize that you have to go to other states to recruit, especially in Florida and the way things are looking; the BIG three already are putting a fence around it once again. FSU, started this whole thing again and they won't let go, Florida is up there already and Miami is just now beginning its steady claim. Look I would agree with you but things are a little different nowadays and you won't get any recruits that easily anymore, and Ohio State's recruit are not the best per-se in the country, just take a look at anyone roster, there are kids from Florida in all OF THEM.

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  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Fair point.

    You forget one huge difference. Rebuilding in the SEC is light years more difficult then rebuilding int he B1G. It wouldn't take Ohio St 4 years to recover in the B1G. As you will see this fall they would probably only be down a year or two tops.

    And to answer your question, would I take 2 NC's in 6 seasons knowing full well we would suck in years 7-10....yep, sure would.

    Fair enough.

    semineer


  • Read the story. It's very interesting. I respect Meyer's ability to work hard and get the best out of his players but it's easy to see how a program becomes "broken" reading that.

    The Thomas deal was shady as hell though.

    LHSPanther

  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Fair point.

    You forget one huge difference. Rebuilding in the SEC is light years more difficult then rebuilding int he B1G. It wouldn't take Ohio St 4 years to recover in the B1G. As you will see this fall they would probably only be down a year or two tops.

    And to answer your question, would I take 2 NC's in 6 seasons knowing full well we would suck in years 7-10....yep, sure would.

    I don't think you realize how good the players on the roster were when Urban arrived. It was stacked with NFL talent. Zooker was a great recruiter especially at UF. You guys don't have anything close to that level of talent on your roster. Urban also got lucky with a five star spread QB growing up 40 miles away, who worshipped the gators. Take away Tebow and he doesn't win a NC either year. Take away Tebow and that team explodes upon itself in year 3.

    PVBNole

  • datcanes305 said...

    You're clearly joking right, easier to rebuild in the Big 10? You do realize that you have to go to other states to recruit, especially in Florida and the way things are looking

    No they don't. Ohio is one of the top 4 or 5 states in the country for high school football talent and OSU has the entire state to themselves save the NW corner where they compete with Michigan for the top recruits there.

    And with Penn State down for the foreseeable future, OSU is going to go into the middle and western parts of Pennsylvania and start picking off recruits there too.

    This post was edited by FSUinDCFSUx0 on 4/9/2012 at 3:25 PM

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  • PVBNole said...

    I don't think you realize how good the players on the roster were when Urban arrived. It was stacked with NFL talent. Zooker was a great recruiter especially at UF. You guys don't have anything close to that level of talent on your roster. Urban also got lucky with a five star spread QB growing up 40 miles away, who worshipped the gators. Take away Tebow and he doesn't win a NC either year. Take away Tebow and that team explodes upon itself in year 3.

    Forgive my ignorance....but according to most everyone I hear from the state of Florida that Urban Meyer is a POS coach....and won strictly because he got lucky? Huh?

    I am sure that certainly wasn't the case 5 years ago when he won his second title, or was it? It just sounds like sour grapes to me.

    But I respect your opinion nonetheless.

    BuckeyeSteves

  • No doubt he is a great coach. But he was incredibly lucky at UF, with FSU, Georgia and the "U" going through down times at the exact moment he arrives on campus. If we had our act together we would have had Harvin on our campus. As for the problems, he was and is a very driven man who would stop at nothing to build a great team. Kinda reminds me of BB when he showed up at FSU. Might want to talk to some of the guys on the team when he showed up to get a feel for BBs drive to build a great team.

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  • datcanes305 said...

    You're clearly joking right, easier to rebuild in the Big 10? You do realize that you have to go to other states to recruit, especially in Florida and the way things are looking; the BIG three already are putting a fence around it once again. FSU, started this whole thing again and they won't let go, Florida is up there already and Miami is just now beginning its steady claim. Look I would agree with you but things are a little different nowadays and you won't get any recruits that easily anymore, and Ohio State's recruit are not the best per-se in the country, just take a look at anyone roster, there are kids from Florida in all OF THEM.

    Apparently you don't see very many B1G games, do you? Ohio St won 7 B1G titles in a row. Indiana & Minnesota are garbage....Purdue, Iowa, Northwestern are all very inconsistent (and very average) Penn St is about to fall off planet earth for a few years, Michigan was only relevant this past season for the first time in 5+ years (and barely beat Ohio St's worst team in 100 years in their home stadium) Regardless if there is a fence around FLA or not, Ohio St had maybe 10-15% of their roster consisting of out of state kids during those seasons. Ohio St can win plenty of B1G titles recruiting strictly in state and in the mid-west.

    As far as National prominence....we shall see.

    And for the record....Miami isn't just starting to calm anything. When the hammer drops on Nevin Shapiro University, it'll take years to pick up the pieces. A 1yr self-imposed bowl ban ain't gonna cut it son.

    This post was edited by BuckeyeSteves on 4/10/2012 at 9:16 AM

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  • datcanes305 said...

    Enlighten us with your prior knowledge man, since you seem to know everything and please don't use that excuse everybody does it. I want to know facts, not opinionated comments, leave that stuff for the weak and uneducated!

    You mad?

    I don't profess do know anything, not even close, but you are simply ignorant if you think the culture that you, I and every other fan of CFB has not created this unmanageable disaster. That said, we are all part of the same hypocrisy so I wouldn't sweat it.

    Pbenuncensored2

  • BuckeyeSteves said...

    Forgive my ignorance....but according to most everyone I hear from the state of Florida that Urban Meyer is a POS coach....and won strictly because he got lucky? Huh?

    I am sure that certainly wasn't the case 5 years ago when he won his second title, or was it? It just sounds like sour grapes to me.

    But I respect your opinion nonetheless.

    Look at the Zook classes, in last two years at UF he had two top five classes. One of which was top class in the nation in some folks opinion. OSU last two classes were 11th and 25th prior to Urban arrival. As far as talent goes in the state of Ohio, right now there were four players from Ohio in the rivals 100 in the last cycle. You can't win a national title by just recruiting OH any more, the sixities have passed.

    Players by state
    1. Florida 12
    2. Texas 11
    3. California 11
    4. NC 6
    5. GA 5
    5. AL 5
    7. OH 4
    8. MO 4

    PVBNole