Unconquered

First off, I know Barron, you don't.

Secondly, you totally mis-read the post. That wasn't anti-Texas despite what you think.

It was explaining his thought process, and if you actually READ my post correcty you'd see where I made a comment that I thought he was being foolish.

Need more proof? Go read his original statement that put the spotlight on him... you know, the dumb one he sent out that made people think his account got hacked because it was so amateur and personal.

Go read it, and get back to me, then feel free to apologize.

It amazes me that so many people have so many opinions on something that they have little to no concrete information on. No disrespect, but the people that are making decisions don't do so blindly and those same people are in those positions for a reason. They aren't sitting on a message board on a Friday afternoon making asking accusations and forming information limited opinions.

And who says its a lock that we will "continue to lose" these big home games?

Boise State wins their games and what has that gotten them?

When did FSU fans become such sissies? FSU used to play up to their competition. They certainly can again.

You have to look at everything. One they have been around longer, so this means bigger booster base. Two as far as selling out, more alumni and people.closer to gainedville thab tallahassee. Tallahassee doesn't make it easy. The tickets aren't what gets you. For a family of four, it is almsot a grand to go a game. You have mandatory 2 night minimum on hotels that jack up their prices.
That alone is 300 to 400 dollars. Tickets are another 200(just throwing a low ball price) parking which is 10 to 20. Then you have food which is another 100. That still isn't taking the cost of gas. All that plus a crappy schedule will equal no sell outs.
Uf plays in a conference where you will get more quality teams, not to mention a lot of sec teams travel well. How many teams in the acc can say the same?

The prime reason UF sells out games is the millions of people that are a 2 hour drive away.

Trust me, I have donated my share. So I wouldn't feel bad if I never donated another dime.

I was using a point that if I took out all the costs of going to games I could have a state of the art home theatre system. Home theatre system >>>>> WF, BC, Duke, NC State.

That's exactly it. We've already built our reputation. We aren't freaking Boise State. It is freaking amazing that people even utter Boise State when speaking of FSU. We couldn't be any different if we tried. No one is saying that we never want to play a big time OOC game again, but the people that insist that every single year we have to be playing a school like Oklahoma are just being irrational.

Me? I want what's best for FSU. Which is undoubtably winning games.

You? You want what's best for your entertainment value.

Don't tell me what I want or don't want. It sounds like all you want is a cakewalk which we may or may not get rewarded. We very well could get passed by a one loss SEC team. Why wouldn't we? Because we're FSU. Sorry bud but name value alone may not be enough.

It's not about MY entertainment as much as it is about us playing trash teams in front of mediocre crowds. It doesn't mean we need to play a suicide schedule like in 1981. But acting like we don't need a matchups like the OU game is silly. I heard so many fans whine about how OU "beat us three times" because of the injuries suffered during that game. Well if we're not good enough, we're not good enough. I'd rather take that than storm through a cake schedule and then get pummeled by Bama in a bowl game because we're not ready for a challenge.

Tough opponents build character and big game experience. They draw bigger crowds and national attention than cupcakes. It's hard to believe this has to be explained but hey, you're welcome.

What do you mean by excuses? If you live within 2 hours, you don't have an issue. If you are coming from far enough away(which most are) then you do have to pick and choose. How many realistically can spend 7 grand on going to all the home games? ZZ, if are able to do it then good for you. If you live within 2 hours then you can not judge.
In the town I live in you have college graduates working at gas stations because that is the only work available and even that is few and far between. Right now people have to be picky on where they spend their money. If that is an excuse to you then I don't know what to tell you. Each person is in a different place so you can't generalize people.
Again, Tallahassee does not make it easy on people coming from out of town and playing a weak schedule does not mmake it better.

The perception is the big 12 will earn us more money. If that is the case and fsu chooses to stay in the acc then I can see where people will feel that way. it will look like you can turn away money from the big 12 then ask for more money from already strapped boosters.
I'm not saying it is right or wrong, I'm just saying I can see where they are coming from.

There is all kinds of deep conversation on this topic but at the end of the day, the ACC won't deliver the money to compete at a national title level (hell, when was the last time the ACC did). No commitment to football in the conference and not enough cash.

I think the admin has already accepted it, but soon our fans will accepted a more Big East like roll in college football in the ACC. There will be some delusion that we are a player....but everyone else will get the ACC is just a side bar to the Big 4 conferences.

Most of the pro ACC folks just can't admit it. But they don't have to....reality is reality whether they admit it or not.

By the way I am not arguing to stay in the ACC. I am arguing what I call the "spoiled brat" ideology in giving to the boosters.