Unconquered

AGREED.

Just a note about the "mafia"......as I see it.

This would not be folks like you. I think most folks like discussions with everyone on both sides. What is disturbing are the posters who come on over and over usually with a manner that they know more than anyone else and have the idea that no one else's opinion matters but their own. Most of the time that is all there is on message boards...opinions. The best posters imho are those who can present their opinion in a logical and rational way. To much sniping and snarkiness on Warchant again imho.

The BIG 12 has a GOR, they are locked in for a long time.

Less than 50% if you go 5 years out. We could go to the big 12 now. Furthermore, conferences will need to expand to protect themselves and the money gap is now too big and will even get bigger. Baylor, for example, stands to make 37 million for the big 12 and tier 3 rights this year which is right at 3x our take int he ACC this year.

With respect, we are just waiting for the next domino to fall. Our action will have to be sooner rather than later. Fortunately Barron knows that.

We may not get into the SEC but our chances are better than most FSU people think.

As to what Jam has done that may be true but in all honesty it has nothing to do with how correct he may be on this thread. The numbers are against a 90% chance of a long term stay in the ACC because of payout disparity with other conferences.

As to Texas, the best deal they will ever get involves being a much bigger fish in the pond. They are much bigger (relatively) in the big 12 pond than anywhere else.

As to the tone of the board, I completely agree with you. The immaturity is staggering considering there is an ignore button.

Where I stand is a long time booster and donor to academia.

What I have seen is you take cheap pop shots at warchant towards anyone who even dares question the ACC. As a booster to the athletics and academics, I am offended a rep takes a position far beyond one that 'stands behind leadership'...but one that is aggressive towards anyone that just ponders FSU's future in the ACC.

I have also seen anyone who points out ACC revenue issues attacked by pro ACC folks with comments about our donor base, like myself.

I am tired of the defense of Swofford and his TV contract and this BBall conference first while representives like yourself feel like it is OK to go after our own fanbase/donor base.

The loyalty of the ACC mafia should be with FSU first and the ACC a DISTANT second.

At the end of the day....it won't matter, you will see more ACC teams leave (not FSU), and FSU's hand will be forced. Whatever happens...happens, but I am tired of the insults we see on Warchant from yourself and the others who are emotional and anatagonistic to anyone who dares wonder what FSU's future is.

As a booster/donor, I wonder why your voice matters and mine doesn't. If you would like, I can call you and I will remove my donation because it seems only my money matters and only your opinion.

I dont have favorites as far as a conference, whatever happens happens. Im just saying the ACC wont go down without a fight and I see the odds greater that we stay put but who knows. Jay Fields had it right, any changes will come like a thief in the night just like the Notre Dame deal, nobody saw that coming. I will step out of this thread because you are the one being atagonistic, you run down OUR conference every chance you get and as a 25 year booster (nothing to do with being a employee) that bothers me, you do know recruits and their families read these boards. You win.

Antagonistic only in response to you and your antagonistic posts. I quit Warchant because of your post along with the rest of the ACC mafia.

We really aren't far apart in what we believe. The only difference is, you and yours go after (insults, pop shots, backhanded comments, etc) anyone that questions/ponders/or wonders about the future of the ACC. I don't see the harm in wondering what possibilities there are and don't get why the ACC mafia takes cheap shots at anyone who does.

Posters pondering the future of the ACC aren't damaging the ACC for our recruits.....the ACC damages the ACC by itself. I wish you put the responsbility of that on the conference and not our fans..again, blame the FSU fans first for the ACC failures...don't get it..

But debate is not welcome with you and the mafia, so I will stop...you win. But if being a booster means monolithic thought (which I am not even sure what the party line is honestly)....then I guess I don't belong.

Texas isn't going anywhere for a while. They are being kept in place both by the grant of rights and by the lucrative Longhorn Network contract with ESPN. Texas could have gone to the Pac-12 twice in the past couple years but they wanted to stay put because they liked their situation. That said, once the grant of rights in the Big 12 expires, if the LHN is still struggling at that time, then absolutely the Pac 12 will make a play for Texas and I believe Texas will listen. They'll also listen to the Big 10 and the SEC. If Texas can't make the standalone cable channel model work long-term (and it is really struggling right now), then they'll look around at what leagues with conference-wide cable networks have to offer. If the Pac-12 makes their dual-track channel model work, then I think they'll be a prime landing spot for the Longhorns. The Big 12 is stable for a little more than a decade, but after that, it is a major question mark. That's why I personally believe FSU leaving for that conference is a very, very dangerous proposition (at least unless they can bring 3-5 of the ACC's best along with them). If the ACC wants to be a legitimate player the next time Big 12 instability hits, then they absolutely need to have its own cable network established at that time.

0.01 percent on the SEC; I imagine UF, Bama, Auburn, and UGA would be against adding a market competitor to the league, plus right now leagues are in thrall to cable networks and FSU would not add much additional value to the league in that regard. Unless ESPN goes to them and tells them that FSU is the only way to break the bank in their renegotiations and cable network (unlikely), then I can't imagine them doing it.

The UCs and USC (and likely Stanford) will be dead set against adding San Diego State. I'm not sure anyone in the league has even the slightest interest in adding another California team, to be honest. I don't see that happening short of SDSU going on some incredible run in football beyond even what Boise State has done of late while the league hits a major slump at the same time. If the league decided against BYU last time around, I don't see them changing on that any time soon. Texas is what Larry Scott dreams about, and it is basically the only realistic place the Pac 12 can turn. I just think they'll have to wait a while before they can turn there. Luckily for them, they have an insane TV deal that will keep them happy for a while.

Where did I say that?

This place is a waste of time.