Unconquered

It is hard to have a discussion on Warchant about this due to that "ACC mafia" as you phrase it. A few ACC apologists just post and post and post to where they drown out other view points. jmho

gotcha. thanks.

No, staying in the ACC is the worst case scenario.

Its probably 90% or more we stay in the ACC

So what is your assessment on the future of the ACC?

Can i call the people who are pushing for the B12 the "B12 mafia" then?

I don't like the ACC, but the B12 is in far greater long term peril than the ACC.

I think people are kneejerkin again.

I also think these articles are more 'Lets throw crap against the wall and see if any residue sticks", I am sure UCONN and UC sources are tapped into the heartbeat of realignment.

It's not even kneejerkin, it's Christmas wishes. I've never seen anyone report that the B12 is willing to take more than FSU, I've only seen FSU fans wish that other teams were coming with us. I've also never seen any realignment news break early on an FSU message board, and then come true weeks later. When realignment actually happens, it happens within 48 hours of the news breaking, not 4-8 weeks.

I'm still waiting for FSU to join the SEC. ESPN reported over a year ago, I'm sure it's going to happen any day.

The disagreements that I see here are due to posting (or lurking) for different reasons.
- some people want to give their logical reasons on why we should go someplace else, and why others should come with us
- some people want to share actual whispers that they've heard
- some people want to only read about actual whispers and get very angry when people give their opinions that are based on their logic but no inside information.

I have no inside information, but if FSU does make a move, I expect you won't hear a thing about it until the deal is already done. That's the only constant I've observed up until this point.

Pben, I appreciate you sharing what you hear. I also appreciate hearing people's opinion's that are based on their logic, but no inside sources. I only wish that people would be explicit about which they are trying to express. My Christmas wish is that every post started with one of the following three sentences:
- I heard from a source that I can't name, but I believe to be well connected.
- I do not have any sources, but I'd like to post my opinion on...
- I read on [link] that...

Of course, some people would post the first even though it's not true, but I suspect those people would be identified pretty quickly - and ignored.

If everyone made clear what they were posting it would be easy to take a post for what it was worth, and I suspect the arguing would go away.

If we stay in the ACC we'll be a perennial 9-4 program that plays in front of ~68-74k fans a game. And all our good coaches will get sniped every single Dec.

The Big 12 is an unknown but call me crazy, I'm willing to roll the dice.

"I am not defending the ACC, please do not misconstrue that, I simply expressing what I think is best for FSU."

Same here.

"All these " conference solutions" have pluses and minuses, the issue on these boards is when you point out the pluses of an option that is not popular with the vocal majority, you get ridiculed for it. "

That happens on all sides. Honestly, I think the ACC mafia on warchant does that in spades. ANYONE that even discusses it is ripped by multiple posters.

I wish folks could just discuss the possibilities.

I want the ACC to work, but I think the ACC's issues are much deeper than FSU boosters not being rich enough.

The conf. revenues disparities are growing....at a rapid rate. Booster differences don't erase that as an issue. THAT has to be addressed. If you start a seperate thread about booster issues....I will join in....FSU needs to improve. But that does not negate the ACC revenue gap as an issue FSU HAS to address.

I appreciate your posts.....the dialogue is much better when there aren't 5 other posters behind you ripping anyone that questions the ACC.

True...problem on warchant is you can't even mention this site by name, it is heavily censored.

The ACC IMO has dead weight programs like WF and BC, who should not be getting even revenue sharing with FSU, Miami, Clemson, VT, etc. I would not include Duke, because they move the needle dramatically in their forte, which is Hoops. That said, i also think we as FSU fans way overestimate the ratings FSU pulls in. For instance the Clemson game this yr, was roughly a 4.0, which was slightly above average for a B12 telecast featuring its top draws (Texas/OU, though obviously not when they play each other), this is simply my opinion but I think it carries some truth, ratings have a lot to do with when the game is played as much as the matchup. FSU/OU a year early pulled a 7.0, however it was a very early season top 5 matchup that had been hyped for 2 months, if FSU were in the B12 it is very unlikely that a game with OU would pull that consistently.

The B12 is in a pickle, they have a very small geographic footprint, and lost a major market when Mizzou left for the SEC. As someone pointed out, if their big schools were to make a jump for say, the Pac-12, i am quite confident that GoR would at the very least be bought out at a reasonable price, so don't make that the sole reason for these school skipping out. Now I would love FSU to get a SEC invite, but what added value does FSU bring? UF already gives the SEC the FL market, at probably better numbers (don't get mad, its just the way it is).

Now if this were poker, and I was playing FSU's hand I would use the B12 to bluff an invite from the SEC, so it suddenly doesn't have to deal with the B12 stompin all over its backyard, unfortunately that is quite the bluff and if it fails, you are suddenly stuck..

Personally i think Barron would like to strike a deal with the B10, he delivers the Florida market (all those retired B10ers would love that) and he in return puts FSU on track for AAU accreditation, which would please the faculty, to me that is the only move that makes everyone somewhat happy. I wouldn't put the chances of this happening very high.

Your assuming again, and this Pruitt guy comes with a huge endorsement from soon to the NFL Saban, unless you think Jimbo is an idiot and has no idea what he is doing?

Again name me one of our coaches who did not leave for a promotion and pay raise?

The ACC has enough issues, without people pumping assumptions and crystal ball predictionsinto the conversation