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  • tricknole said...

    but there's been a lot of talk of some sort of travel budget by the Big 12 that would normalize payouts to include travel costs. I think that's definitely something Big 12 schools would at least listen to if we suggested it. And they paid for some of WVU's exit fee so it's reasonable to think they'd pay for some of ours.

    FYI - I believe the Big12 school get reimbursed for reasonable travel before the profits are delivered to each school. Also, the Big12 "loaned" WVU $10mil for its exit fees. I think the Big12 will recover same by retaining a portion of WVU's revenue over several years.

    Scharnell

  • Texas actually makes 22-25 million a year from the total tier 3 that the ACC keeps pointing to which makes the disparity even bigger.

    10 million a yr from IMG for everything that FSU makes on it's tier 3(radio, internet etc)
    15 a year from ESPN(minus the cut that IMG takes)

    OU is setting up a deal with FOX for their Tier 3 tv rights for an extra 5 million or so from the rumors out there. Why couldn't FSU do the same while keeping it's current tier 3 contracts?

    This post was edited by windboy226 on 5/14/2012 at 2:12 PM

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  • windboy226 said...

    Texas actually makes 22-25 million a year from the total tier 3 that the ACC keeps pointing to which makes the disparity even bigger.

    10 million a yr from IMG for everything that FSU makes on it's tier 3(radio, internet etc) 15 a year from ESPN(minus the cut that IMG takes)

    OU is setting up a deal with FOX for their Tier 3 tv rights for an extra 5 million or so from the rumors out there. Why couldn't FSU do the same while keeping it's current tier 3 contracts?

    What is FSU going to sell for $5 million/yr?

    I am curious

    Pbenuncensored26482

  • satexas said...

    Don't bother with PBen, he's beyond loneytoons. Certifiable.

    .

    Again, the B12 is just gonna hand FSU a check for 8 million dollars...why exactly?

    The B12 thing is a internet concocted rumor that started on a Baylor site, and now has gotten so out of hand, officals at FSU have to comment on it, and some act like its real while others are like "WTF did this come from?"

    I have only debated it, because most of the Pro-B12 people are basing their point of view on nonsense from websites. I just showed you what tier 3 tv rights are, but I am looney tunes.
    I will say this, it may end up causing a change in acc commish, which would be good.

    This post was edited by Pbenuncensored26482 on 5/14/2012 at 2:39 PM

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  • Pben-uncensored said...

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    Again, the B12 is just gonna hand FSU a check for 8 million dollars...why exactly?

    The B12 thing is a internet concocted rumor that started on a Baylor site, and now has gotten so out of hand, officals at FSU have to comment on it, and some act like its real while others are like "WTF did this come from?"

    I have only debated it, because most of the Pro-B12 people are basing their point of view on nonsense from websites. I just showed you what tier 3 tv rights are, but I am looney tunes.
    I will say this, it may end up causing a change in acc commish, which would be good.

    Then why did the BOTs, The Boosters and Fisher say they are entertaining the idea of leaving and not simply say this is hogwash?

    fsukum

  • windboy226 said...

    10 million a yr from IMG for everything that FSU makes on it's tier 3(radio, internet etc)
    15 a year from ESPN(minus the cut that IMG takes)

    Can you provide links? That just seems highly unlikely.

    tricknole

  • Here's a couple when the LHN was announced. It makes sense when you think about it. Places like OSU and UF get 10 million a year for those 3rd tier rights that don't include television rights.

    Luckily UT was the one ESPN wanted to try this out with and they paid us more than anyone thought possible for it. At the very least FSU should be able to setup something like OU is trying to do with FOX for content.

    Just wanted to add that I'm one of the lucky few that have the Longhorn Network and it's pretty freaking awesome. A Longhorn version of Sportscenter every night and watching Mack/coaches during signing day sold me as the greatest thing ever.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by windboy226 on 5/14/2012 at 11:10 PM

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    windboy226

  • windboy226 said...

    Here's a couple when the LHN was announced. It makes sense when you think about it. Places like OSU and UF get 10 million a year for those 3rd tier rights that don't include television rights.

    Luckily UT was the one ESPN wanted to try this out with and they paid us more than anyone thought possible for it. At the very least FSU should be able to setup something like OU is trying to do with FOX for content.

    Just wanted to add that I'm one of the lucky few that have the Longhorn Network and it's pretty freaking awesome. A Longhorn version of Sportscenter every night and watching Mack/coaches during signing day sold me as the greatest thing ever.

    Texas and FSU are too entirely different demographics, we jsut do not have the base that UT has, probably not even like OU.

    Pbenuncensored26482

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Texas and FSU are too entirely different demographics, we jsut do not have the base that UT has, probably not even like OU.

    Still, if they get $25M we could get $10-15M. We already have $6.6M so you do the math.

    tricknole

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    What is FSU going to sell for $5 million/yr?

    I am curious

    I would forgo the $5 million so the team wouldn't have to keep playing away Thursday night games, and now Friday night games.

    Not only did the ACC get a backloaded, chump change raise, it condemned its teams to play Friday night games where ESPN is desperate for content. So really, it is no raise, just a little premium for filling in those god awful time slots. How much of that raise will be offset by lower ticket sales for a Friday home game?

    Please look it the whole picture before spewing out non-sense.

    FSU and the ACC will not be able to compete financially with the SEC, PAC12, or BIG12 in the years to come.

    Nothing can sugarcoat that mess.

    This post was edited by atgreek on 5/16/2012 at 11:50 PM

    atgreek

  • Here is what is so amusing: uf's tier 3 is worth 10 million a year in florida but ours is worth, what, zero. Half of UF's number is realisitic.

    Figure a 57-43 (between 60-40 and 55-45) split in the respective fan bases-Uf's is bigger, but ours is large as well.

    If tier three is useless why did uf get 10 million for them?

    Using pure numbers we should be in the 6.5 million range. Even 1/2 that (3 million) is worth a lot more than 850k which is what we get now from the conference deal.

    the 20 million number is fairly solid. What I have is doubts aobut is the SEc getting much, if any more money for adding Mizzou and A&M. Mizzou brings no viewers and A&M is barely a top 30 draw and has no presence outside of Texas. I think the long term prospects of TV money are better in the big 12 if we go and Clemson and maybe a UM than they are going to be for us in the SEC. We would add money to either conference but the big 12 is in a better position to make more money than the SEC with right teams being a part of the conference because of more national intersts in its teams. Texas and OU have more of a national following than anyone in the SEC.

    our and uf's national followings are equal and bigger than the rest of the SEC.

    Should we go:

    Again, I think the probable financials will in the long term be better in the big 12 than the SEC. The potential intersectional nature of a 12 or 14 team big 12 will bring more national viewers which means more advertsing dollars for Tv which means more money for the conference.

    Also, when the 4 conference format settles in regarding playoff slots it is clear that the ACC will not make the cut.

    You have yet to hear a tv person say 1 set in St louis is worth more than 2 on the west coast to watch a game. That is because it isn't i actually discussed that issue with a few of them this past weekend.

    As it was pointed out to me, our contract makes it clear the geographic footprint does not matter. We have (or soon will have) NY, Boston and DC Atlanta and Miami.

    Yet our contract sucks. We should actually have the best contract if geogrpahic footprint matters.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TNOLE27 on 5/17/2012 at 3:45 PM

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