Unconquered

Enlightening. Now I will REALLY be stunned if we leave the ACC.

I want us to be in a good football conference too. I want that like most FSU fans.

It seems to me that the best and most likely way for that to happen is for Miami, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and at least one northern team--BC or Maryland have the potential--to just friggin' get serious and decide they are by god going to have great football. The DNA for it is in all those programs, and I could see NCSU doing it too.

If all or just several of those teams started camping out regularly in the top 25 alongside FSU and VaTech, the ACC would not be a basketball conference and the football schools could stop taking scraps.

That article makes a ton of good points. I don't think many people on this board will like it even if it makes perfect sense. If true, this is a major blow to the Big 12 movement.

Still doesnt change the fact that throw the tier 3 rights out the window and being in the BIG 12 conservatively would be 6-10 million more every year without even without factoring in tier 3. FSU owning the tier 3 would just be more icing on the cake, seriously if you few in this thread really think OUR WHOLE entire point of leaving the ACC is because of tier 3, well then.....

Remember we get NO extra, NONE from the new contract until PItt and Syracuse become formal members of the ACC, the contract is back loaded we will not see 17 mill a year from it until 2021 or 9 years. SO in 9 years we will still make 6 million less than if we were in the big 12.
I never cared about tier 3 ever..... the TV contract is crap. Period.

Still doesn't stop the fact that it was put out that we would be getting 17 million a season in the ACC when we really at getting 12 million next season. ACC said there is misinformation on the Tier 3 rights but they put out misinformation on the "raise" the ACC got. Back loaded and that 17 may not come for 9 seasons. ACC is using spin just as much as anyone else.

3rd tier rights is just one tiny part of why we would move. Let's see what else they offer before we settle back into medicrity in the acc.

FSU is still going imo. There is no question that we will make more money and be better respected in the big 12. We already know how most of the fans, the coach and the head cheese BOT feel about the acc.
In the mean time, It is going to be nice to see the acc and that arrogant Swoffy sweat this out all summer. :)

The discussion about third-tier rights has always been a bit of a red herring. What it really shows is the total lack of innovation by the ACC. They have not shown any initiative to exploint these rights in any meaningful way. They played it safe and got a comfortable contract all with ESPN. ESPN provides a great platform to show the games, but it obviously does not provide the best source of revenue. As can be seen, everyonone else has made multiple deals to get the most from their various available sources of revenue. The ACC management is stuck in 1990 when it comes to how the revenue game is played.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/18984821/big-12-verbally-agrees-to-new-espnfox-deal

Not a rumor

Yea. If your aunt had balls.

Only a fool would think this is strictly about 3rd tier revenue. That may only net us $1-2M/year extra, which obviously in and of itself is likely NOT enough to jump leagues.

* But this is not including the $3M/year average that the Big 12 will already be receiving over the ACC.

* It does not including the raise from $20M/year that the Big 12 would see by landing a school like FSU and whichever other school(s) come along, which could realistically be another $2-4M/year.

* This isn't including playoff revenue that will almost assuredly be less for the ACC than the other major conferences.

* This doesn't include the increased revenue from ticket sales that FSU could see if we were in a Big 12 with WVU and UT/OU on our schedule every year. That would probably be comparable to what we currently have which is Clemson and Miami. But if either Clemson and/or Miami come, we will have more high-quality home conference games each year than in the ACC. If that created more interest and let to an increased ticket price of just $5/game for 64,000 tickets (+16,000 student tickets) for 7 home games, that's additional revenue of nearly $2.25M/year. Obviously Doak can fit more than 80,000 but I just used that figure.

This could realistically be an increase of $6-11M/year over what we currently will make in the ACC and that's not including playoff revenues. Can we let $90-165M go over the course of this 15-year deal? Keeping in mind that the SEC will be one of the highest paid conferences and that we have aspirations to fund an indoor facility, athletic dorm, Civic Center renovations, budget deficits and the increasing cost of tuition/athletic scholarships.

And if Miami and Clemson go with us (I'm skeptical of just how willing Miami would be to stay behind without us), travel for football wouldn't be nearly as bad as people are making it out to be. Olympic sports would obviously see more of the expenses but there's been a lot of talk of some sort of travel budget by the Big 12 that would normalize payouts to include travel costs. I think that's definitely something Big 12 schools would at least listen to if we suggested it. And they paid for some of WVU's exit fee so it's reasonable to think they'd pay for some of ours.

Kansas makes most of that through hoops, you think FSU hoops is bringing in 8 million on 3rd tier games, like Stetson?

I am not trying to argue, just trying to understand where this extra 7 mill a yr is coming from.

Football gets one game, and in our case if you use this years schedule it would be Savannah St, so maybe at best we get $500k for that...then what?

Good point InsightTexas.....the SEC beats the crap out each other yet still has produced an unprecedented string of National champions.

People scoff at the ACC competition we had in the 90's but our OOC schedule had few cupcakes under Bobby with Miami, UF and at least one national power on it every year.

Trips to South Bend, Colombus, Ann Arbor, or a neutral site were fairly commonplace....it is how we established a National brand by being open to challenges every year.