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55Nole said...
He (Jimbo) has burnt many bridges at FSU (one reason Stoops SERIOUSLY considered a lateral move to AU). FSU is being turned into a stepping stone school folks and our fans and 'leadership' has the ambition level that is simply this.....
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
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89Oklahoma said...
As I read through this thread I realized that there are many Noles fans who would like a move to the Big 12 and many who wouldn't. Imagine a conference that includes OU, Texas, FSU, OSU, Clemson and WVU. Now imagine one that includes those schools along with some combination of Georgia Tech, Miami, Maryland and Louisville. That conference would be sick and would claim supremacy over all other conferences.
If you are still saying "whatever, I still don't want to go to the Big 12," ask yourself "do we bring more value to the ACC than we receive in revenue from the ACC?" Surely FSU is worth more in media rights than $15 million, yet that is what you will receive from the new contract.
Now compare this to the Big 12. The B12 will be negotiating our Tier 1 rights within the next couple of years. Currently our Tier 1 rights are way below market and yet our Tier 1 + Tier 2 rights net each school around $17 million. When our Tier 1 rights are renegotiated (ESPN has asked to move up the negotiation for a new contract), most expect the Tier 1 + Tier 2 rights to generate somewhere between $20 and $30 million per school. Now, suppose you want to make more money. You still have your Tier 3 rights to form your own network and earn at least an additional $5 to $10 million (OU's new TV deal with Fox is estimated to net somewhere around $4 - $6 million). Now, FSU stands to make $30 million to $40 million per year. Compare that to the $15 to $17 million you will make when Pitt/SU add another $1 to $2 million to your conference payout. The Big 12 is making more than that today on Tier 1 and Tier 2 revenue alone with an outdated Tier 1 contract.
Now consider that when Florida, Georgia, Alabama and the rest of the SEC schools renegotiate their media rights and begin making $20 - $25 million per year. How far behind UF do you think FSU will be in 10 years earning $10 million per year less?
As a Sooner (and to a lesser degree Cowboy) fan, I would love to see FSU in the Big 12, Big 16 or whatever you want to call it in the future. If our conference leaders aren't talking to FSU, they should be fired because FSU would add value to our conference. If FSU leaders aren't talking to the Big 12, you should fire them for malfeasance. Nothing may come from talks, but I believe our interests converge in the formation of an expanded conference that includes both our schools. FSU would make a lot more money and OU would become aligned with another high quality university. It's win win!
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55Nole said...
I didn't say FSU was a stepping stone. I said with the way the current environment is shaping up and how FSU is being lead (whether by ACC leadership or it's own) it WILL be a stepping stone.
TOTALLY agree that right now FSU has those things.
The issue how is FSU position in the future when every Big 10, SEC, PAC 12, and Big 12 team have $15-$20 Million more a year than FSU? And aren't dealing with a conference that has no idea how to boost it's football product.
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
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PanicFSU said...
If FSU joins the Big 12 (along with ND, Louisville, and BYU) there would be an East and West division. With a possible 9 game schedule and the cross division rival, travel would only stink for one or two games a year. Especially if we get Clemson to join.
East: FSU Clemson WVU Notre Dame Baylor Louisville Texas
West: OU Okie State Iowa State Kansas Kansa State Texas Tech BYU
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PanicFSU said...
If FSU joins the Big 12 (along with ND, Louisville, and BYU) there would be an East and West division. With a possible 9 game schedule and the cross division rival, travel would only stink for one or two games a year. Especially if we get Clemson to join.
East: FSU Clemson WVU Notre Dame Baylor Louisville Texas
West: OU Okie State Iowa State Kansas Kansa State Texas Tech BYU
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tricknole said...
Texas in the East? Doubt it.
No BYU, and add FSU, Clemson, GT, UL, VT and ND (Miami if ND refuses).
East...............West
FSU..................Texas
Clemson.........OU
WVU................Baylor
VT....................TCU
GT...................TTech
UL...................OK State
ND/Miami......Kansas
Iowa State.....K State**Yea, it would suck going to Ames, IA, but they're the only one that makes sense in the East.
If there were enough eastern schools like in that proposal it'd be worth it. But that's a brutal schedule.
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
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55Nole said...
I wish I knew. I am most stunned by the silence. FSU's bond rating was just dropped by Moodys recently which means it is more expensive for FSU to borrow and a sign finances are tightening up at FSU. I don't know what the powers that be think. My best guess is there is a leadership vacuum. Dave Hart, who is far from perfect, was the last person at FSU with leadership and vision. Nobody on hand to handle such a roll at such a critical time.
Why the boosters don't see this as a huge issue? I don't know. Like I said, too much silence.
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
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farnsworth said...
First of all, 4 conferences would mean only 64 teams of 16 each. In previous discussions on this, it has been said that it would have to be 5, so that there would be 80 teams.
The ACC is not going to be left in the dust. That's part of the reason for the conference realignment to begin with.
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PanicFSU said...
If FSU joins the Big 12 (along with ND, Louisville, and BYU) there would be an East and West division. With a possible 9 game schedule and the cross division rival, travel would only stink for one or two games a year. Especially if we get Clemson to join.
East:
FSU
Clemson
WVU
Notre Dame
Baylor
Louisville
TexasWest:
OU
Okie State
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansa State
Texas Tech
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