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RUMOR: FSU and Clemson Have Contacted the Big 12

  • fsukum said...

    Leverage is great. Right now, the ACC will get a larger deal from ESPN for the additions of Pitt and Cuse. We may see that deal reach even higher numbers if the ACC/ESPN gets into a bidding war with the Big12/FOX.

    We could come out as winners in either scenario, so I hope this Big 12 rumor is true.

    There's no bidding war for the ACC. The ACC already signed with ESPN. The deal can be "opened up" and renegotiated to an extent but Fox or other companies cannot bid on the ACC's television rights. They are owned by ESPN for the next 9 and a half years.

    tricknole

  • FSU either needs to be in an ACC where the TV money is close to the other 3-4 big conferences or it needs to look at other options. ACC's problem is you can't monetize basketball like you can football, so the ACC is at a huge disadvantage.

    55Nole

  • tricknole said...

    There's no bidding war for the ACC. The ACC already signed with ESPN. The deal can be "opened up" and renegotiated to an extent but Fox or other companies cannot bid on the ACC's television rights. They are owned by ESPN for the next 9 and a half years.

    Yeah but FSU, Clemson, etc to big12 will screw ACC and ESPN

    In order to stop that ESPN may very well offer an increase that is worth much more then the addition of Pitt/ cuse

    delawarenole

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  • delawarenole said...

    Yeah but FSU, Clemson, etc to big12 will screw ACC and ESPN

    In order to stop that ESPN may very well offer an increase that is worth much more then the addition of Pitt/ cuse

    Or ESPN offers the new ACC much less and actually saves money. ESPN has partial rights to the Big 12 so their money would just shift conferences. They wouldn't all of a sudden just lose a billion dollars or something like that.

    tricknole

  • Ive been hearing since November it would be likely us and Clemson would leave. SEC would be a better fit, but i would take confrence usa at this point. ACC made things very clear they are not looking to improve their football confrence when they took pitt and cuse. Us and Clemson just dont fit the mold.

    ronzookisascrub

  • Stay in the ACC....it is good for us for basketball and baseball.

    Just make sure we have great non-conference match ups outside UF every year in football and our wins will take care of football. A move to the center of the country would not be good for us...

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  • DeepEyez said...

    Notre Dame and Penn State would be a solid move. Although I think adding Penn State is highly unlikey, I'd like to see Rutgers as the next possible option.

    NO Rutgers! Give me UConn before Rutgers. Penn State & Notre Dame should be the priority

    GO NOLES! / SCALP EM!

    NOLE FAN1

  • ronzookisascrub said...

    Ive been hearing since November it would be likely us and Clemson would leave. SEC would be a better fit, but i would take confrence usa at this point. ACC made things very clear they are not looking to improve their football confrence when they took pitt and cuse. Us and Clemson just dont fit the mold.

    Give me a break. The ACC made that move to stay viable as a conference. At the time the Big Ten and SEC were both apparently interested in a few ACC schools to one degree or another. The ACC didn't want to get picked apart and drop below 12. So they preemptively raided the Big East and all the other talk died down. Most schools are probably in wait-and-see mode when it comes to what the new tv contract will look like before engaging in full-fledged talks with other conferences.

    tricknole

  • FSU*Nole said...

    Stay in the ACC....it is good for us for basketball and baseball.

    Just make sure we have great non-conference match ups outside UF every year in football and our wins will take care of football. A move to the center of the country would not be good for us...

    And leaving the ACC might be good for our wallet. And what's good for our wallet is good for all of our sports.

    Why do we need to schedule "great" non-conference games aside from UF? Answer: We don't.

    tricknole

  • NOLE FAN1 said...

    NO Rutgers! Give me UConn before Rutgers. Penn State & Notre Dame should be the priority

    Why?

    tricknole

  • tricknole said...

    And leaving the ACC might be good for our wallet. And what's good for our wallet is good for all of our sports.

    Why do we need to schedule "great" non-conference games aside from UF? Answer: We don't.

    How do you think this campus was built? It was built on "winning" football teams. Boise State proved that almost being undefeated with good out of conference games puts you in the national hunt. If we stayed in the ACC, and we win it every year, we go to a BCS bowl game. If you add "great" non-conference games (which we really don't do now) and we win those games, that coupled with an ACC championship can lead to BCS championships. That in turn is good for our wallet. So basically, add "great" non-conference games and win all our games equals more money, which is how this house was built. No need to move IMO...

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  • I would prefer the ACC with a few good OOC (not talking 3 or 4) like UF + 1 good team and 2 cupcakes

    I am not one of those willing to sacrifice 12 weeks of shitty scheduling to make the MNC

    I want to watch good football but that being said that can happen in the ACC just as easily I just don't want FSU o get caught with our pants down. Something like VT and Clemson or NCST jumping to SEC and we are screwed

    delawarenole

  • FSU*Nole said...

    How do you think this campus was built? It was built on 'winning' football teams. Boise State proved that almost being undefeated with good out of conference games puts you in the national hunt. If we stayed in the ACC, and we win it every year, we go to a BCS bowl game. If you add 'great' non-conference games (which we really don't do now) and we win those games, that coupled with an ACC championship can lead to BCS championships. That in turn is good for our wallet. So basically, add 'great' non-conference games and win all our games equals more money, which is how this house was built. No need to move IMO...

    1. We don't schedule great non-conference games right now? You're kidding, right?

    2. You can't possibly say this campus was built on winning football. While it certainly was a huge boost, there had been students attending school at FSU and its predecessors for close to 130 years before we ever had back-to-back 10-win seasons.

    3. You don't have to have a ridiculous non-conference schedule to make the BCS CG. Oregon nor Auburn had one last year. Alabama didn't have one this year. If we face Clemson, Miami and 4-5 other bowl teams in conference, a lowly BCS program (Indiana/Washington State/etc) and UF non-conference and a team like VT in the ACC CG that's enough to get us serious BCS CG consideration if we win the ACC. A more compelling or exciting schedule doesn't necessarily equate to a better shot at the BCS CG.

    If you play a non-conference slate against a bunch of good schools (like WVU, USF and UF this year), you are stupidly increasing the odds of losing a game and injuring a key player. Look at Manuel against Oklahoma last year. If we don't schedule OU we likely beat whomever we face instead. Manuel also doesn't likely sustain an injury that caused him to miss game time and be inconsistent all season. Do we go 10-2 (or better?) in the regular season if we never schedule OU? Do we make the Sugar Bowl instead of Virginia Tech? Do we edge out Clemson for a spot in the ACC CG if we lose 2 less games?

    Six of our 12 opponents were bowl-eligible (I'm including Miami here) if you take out OU. Alabama and LSU only faced 7 bowl teams in the regular season. If we would have faced VT, GT or UNC instead of Duke (which over time happens more often than not) we would've had 7 bowl teams just like those two BCS CG contenders and SEC elites. What was the difference between them and us? They won the games on their schedule. We lost them. But you want to add more difficult games. I admit tough non-conference games are fun and exciting. But I also admit that going overboard is STUPID. When you intentionally make it harder to make the BCS CG you're doing something wrong. Big games brings fans and money into the stadium and program, but playing in and winning NCs does the exact same thing. And I would assume it actually does it better.

    tricknole

  • delawarenole said...

    Yeah but FSU, Clemson, etc to big12 will screw ACC and ESPN

    In order to stop that ESPN may very well offer an increase that is worth much more then the addition of Pitt/ cuse

    Exactly.

    ESPN has a lengthy contract with the ACC and if it appeared that the ACC was about to lose 2 premier schools to another conference who has a TV deal with a rival network, ESPN would be forced to renegotiate their contract.

    The ACC without an FSU and/or a Clemson would mean a lot less revenue for ESPN and the ACC. ESPN would want to keep those schools to remain in the ACC.

    fsukum

  • There is absolutely no reason for FSU to schedule a possible L for OOC games. If FSU is undefeated we are going to the BCSNCG without a doubt.

    otown nole29245

  • fsukum said...

    Exactly.

    ESPN has a lengthy contract with the ACC and if it appeared that the ACC was about to lose 2 premier schools to another conference who has a TV deal with a rival network, ESPN would be forced to renegotiate their contract.

    The ACC without an FSU and/or a Clemson would mean a lot less revenue for ESPN and the ACC. ESPN would want to keep those schools to remain in the ACC.

    I think this hits on the thing that really bugs me in all of this

    It's not the staying or the leaving, or dealing with the geographics, or dealing with an overall better schedule with better teams or an easier road to the BCS Scampionship bowl, or getting better refs and a fair shake, its that we are owned by ESPN

    jrcnole

  • 55Nole said...

    FSU either needs to be in an ACC where the TV money is close to the other 3-4 big conferences or it needs to look at other options. ACC's problem is you can't monetize basketball like you can football, so the ACC is at a huge disadvantage.

    Its only 3 mill less per year than the SEC

    TNOLE27

  • say this does happen….that leaves VT in the ACC by itself….do they attempt to follow?

    xxwgxx

  • In regard to winning MNC's, I guess it really doesn't matter what conference we are in since we are more than likely moving towards a play-off system.

    I would just rather be in a conference in which I actually enjoyed being in. The only ACC games I personally watch are the ones that FSU are playing in. I watch the SEC in all other games.

    I don't care what we do; I just hope that Dr. Barron and Spetman don't get caught with their heads in the rear ends.

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • tricknole said...

    1. We don't schedule great non-conference games right now? You're kidding, right?

    2. You can't possibly say this campus was built on winning football. While it certainly was a huge boost, there had been students attending school at FSU and its predecessors for close to 130 years before we ever had back-to-back 10-win seasons.

    3. You don't have to have a ridiculous non-conference schedule to make the BCS CG. Oregon nor Auburn had one last year. Alabama didn't have one this year. If we face Clemson, Miami and 4-5 other bowl teams in conference, a lowly BCS program (Indiana/Washington State/etc) and UF non-conference and a team like VT in the ACC CG that's enough to get us serious BCS CG consideration if we win the ACC. A more compelling or exciting schedule doesn't necessarily equate to a better shot at the BCS CG.

    If you play a non-conference slate against a bunch of good schools (like WVU, USF and UF this year), you are stupidly increasing the odds of losing a game and injuring a key player. Look at Manuel against Oklahoma last year. If we don't schedule OU we likely beat whomever we face instead. Manuel also doesn't likely sustain an injury that caused him to miss game time and be inconsistent all season. Do we go 10-2 (or better?) in the regular season if we never schedule OU? Do we make the Sugar Bowl instead of Virginia Tech? Do we edge out Clemson for a spot in the ACC CG if we lose 2 less games?

    Six of our 12 opponents were bowl-eligible (I'm including Miami here) if you take out OU. Alabama and LSU only faced 7 bowl teams in the regular season. If we would have faced VT, GT or UNC instead of Duke (which over time happens more often than not) we would've had 7 bowl teams just like those two BCS CG contenders and SEC elites. What was the difference between them and us? They won the games on their schedule. We lost them. But you want to add more difficult games. I admit tough non-conference games are fun and exciting. But I also admit that going overboard is STUPID. When you intentionally make it harder to make the BCS CG you're doing something wrong. Big games brings fans and money into the stadium and program, but playing in and winning NCs does the exact same thing. And I would assume it actually does it better.

    Winning all of our ACC games and winning all of our out of conference games (If they are good teams) should guarantee us a shot at the title every year. But just winning out in the ACC and having no good OOC games won't cut it because people will say SEC schedule this...Big 10 schedule that...just ask OK State this year.

    I know that the campus existed before FSU was good at football but there is a huge difference in the way it looks now and before football started bringing in the money.

    I try not to make excuses for what "could have been" if it wasn't for injuries. It can happen to every team. In the end, winning the ACC and ensuring we don't get bumped by the SEC because our schedule isn't strong enough was my point...

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  • fsukum said...

    Exactly.

    ESPN has a lengthy contract with the ACC and if it appeared that the ACC was about to lose 2 premier schools to another conference who has a TV deal with a rival network, ESPN would be forced to renegotiate their contract.

    The ACC without an FSU and/or a Clemson would mean a lot less revenue for ESPN and the ACC. ESPN would want to keep those schools to remain in the ACC.

    Except ESPN also has stake in the Big 12. And it's not nearly as simple as saying, "If the ACC crumbles ESPN will lose a ton of money." If they can pull out X amount of money from the ACC if the top football schools leave and put X-Y amount of money into whichever conference they join, ESPN makes money on the move.

    tricknole

  • FSU*Nole said...

    Winning all of our ACC games and winning all of our out of conference games (If they are good teams) should guarantee us a shot at the title every year. But just winning out in the ACC and having no good OOC games won't cut it because people will say SEC schedule this...Big 10 schedule that...just ask OK State this year.

    I know that the campus existed before FSU was good at football but there is a huge difference in the way it looks now and before football started bringing in the money.

    I try not to make excuses for what "could have been" if it wasn't for injuries. It can happen to every team. In the end, winning the ACC and ensuring we don't get bumped by the SEC because our schedule isn't strong enough was my point...

    You do know we play the gators every year, don't you?

    DaddyO

  • Daddy-O said...

    You do know we play the gators every year, don't you?

    You have to go back a couple of posts...already discussed.

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  • The first ten times I saw something about this I dismissed it as ludicrous. However I donfind it odd that this one hasn't been dismissed yet.

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