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President Barron's full email response

  • ZZ1059 said...

    6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC ­ we have no idea
    where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters
    which currently are unable to support our current University athletic
    budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget

    This needs to change!

    The booster money is there. They just aren't inspired enough to let it loose.

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • InsightTexas said...

    At a minimum, FSU would be playing UT or OU every year and it would make huge sense for FSU to be in a division with one of them and playing the other as a designated rival each year. Even if the division Barron suggests was real, FSU should have a cake walk to the final 4. He conveniently leaves out the likely reality that 1 to 3 other ACC teams would likely be following FSU to the Big 12.

    The travel nonsense is a total canard. FSU would have no problem negotiating a subsidy for the difference between their ACC travel and Big 12 travel. The Big 12 teams would also be traveling to play WVU, FSU and any other ACC members who join.

    I really don't know that you would play OU and texas every year.

    Conditions when talking about conference schedules:
    1)The Red River Shootout will take place every year (texas vs. OU)
    2)OU will play OkState every year.

    Give those two facts (and they are facts), how would you draw 6 team divisions that would have FSU playing both texas and OU every year. I agree that these would be the best games, but how do you make it work? Move Texas Tech to an East division (it's the western most school)? Move Baylor (it's only ninety miles to Austin and FSU is about 900)? I suppose you could have TCU in the East and FSU in the West, but....

    Probable Divisions:

    West: Texas, Baylor, TCU, OU, OSU, Texas Tech
    East: Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, West Virginia, FSU, plus one.

    Using the past Big 12 conference schedule as a guide, you'd play all of the West division opponents 2 (home/away) years out of six.

    I have never heard of a conference subsidizing travel for 1 team. Is there any precedence for this? I haven't heard of West Virginia getting a travel allowance.

    The true test of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with you.

    boone8466

  • Fsu president to the big 12. Thanks but no thanks. :-)

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  • InsightTexas said...

    If this is a real letter from Barron, it is an unprofessional and one sided disgrace. I hate to confuse this nonsense with reality but

    1. So what? You gave up your third tier rights for much less money than the Big 12 in an ACC contract that does not get to $17 million until 2021.

    2. So what? If FSU stays in the ACC, EVERY TEAM IN THE SEC may be getting $10 million+ more than FSU. UT's only advantage is outside Tier 1 & 2 rights and are only an advantage because of the value of the UT franchise. UT's football team is 13-12 over the last two seasons and they only have two conference football championships in the 14 years since Brown arrived so they clearly do not know how to translate $ into championships. Nebraska and A&M were the big advocates for unequal revenue sharing on Tiers 1 & 2 which has disappeared since they left.

    3. $2.9 million? Barron conveniently ignores the severe escalation curve and the much longer term of the ACC deal as well as the targets that have to be met to trigger the $17 million. He also leaves out the step up Big 12 teams would receive from adding FSU and other teams, the championship game add on and the reality that attendance would very likely escalate with higher football quality Big 12 teams despite his notions to the contrary.

    At a minimum, FSU would be playing UT or OU every year and it would make huge sense for FSU to be in a division with one of them and playing the other as a designated rival each year. Even if the division Barron suggests was real, FSU should have a cake walk to the final 4. He conveniently leaves out the likely reality that 1 to 3 other ACC teams would likely be following FSU to the Big 12.

    The travel nonsense is a total canard. FSU would have no problem negotiating a subsidy for the difference between their ACC travel and Big 12 travel. The Big 12 teams would also be traveling to play WVU, FSU and any other ACC members who join.

    4. Yeah, right. The attendance would be the same with real quality football teams instead of basketball schools with football teams.

    5. There is no reason to give up the UM rivalry to play Murray St. and Savannah St.

    6. The exit fee is negotiable with both the ACC and the Big 12 and the long term benefits would far outweigh the cost. TCU and WVU figured that one out even with the existing Big 12 contract that is significantly less than the new one.

    7. How is the faculty in any way adversely affected by FSU moving to the Big 12? They might realize a huge benefit from the extra direct or indirect revenue the Big 12 would bring. How does staying in the ACC solve any of FSU budget issues?

    Yes it should be a reasoned decision but it is clear that Barron is inventing canards to justify maintaining the FALSE ILLUSION of higher academic standing for FSU in the ACC.

    As an FSU alum, I hope Haggard and the BOT have the stones to ignore Barron if this kindergarten thinking is real.

    You guys do understand that it cost 25$ million to leave the conference.

    Which other 3 acc schools can afford that? And leave with fsu?

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  • NOLES_WIN said...

    Because there could never be anyone educated or informed on the internet.

    On second thought, you are clearly correct.

    I'm sure your BOT and President have subsciptions to the orangebloods.com and are posting their brainstorming sessions. What could I have been thinking?banghead

    The true test of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with you.

    boone8466

  • boone8466 said...

    On second thought, you are clearly correct.

    I'm sure your BOT and President have subsciptions to the orangebloods.com and are posting their brainstorming sessions. What could I have been thinking?banghead

    Actually he admitted to reading the "blogosphere" so that at least lends some credence to what you just said....but you missed my point....there could be informed or knowledgable people besides the president.

    This post was edited by NOLES_WIN on 5/14/2012 at 9:23 PM

    NOLES_WIN

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    You guys do understand that it cost 25$ million to leave the conference.

    Which other 3 acc schools can afford that? And leave with fsu?

    All of them when they go from making $13 million per year to $26 million per year.

    HoopsCoach

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    You guys do understand that it cost 25$ million to leave the conference.

    Which other 3 acc schools can afford that? And leave with fsu?

    The big 12 is willing to pay about half of that (WVU TCU)

    gonoles1 ●

  • NOLES_WIN said...

    ....but you missed my point....there could be informed or knowledgable people besides the president.

    No--I got your point.

    It's just that the ignorant masses (myself included) outnumber the ones with*real, first hand, reliable info* by something like 1000:1. Saying he read it online give it no credence whatsoever. Tell me that Mr. Bigshot on the Board of Trustees issued a quote and then we have something.

    The true test of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with you.

    boone8466

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    You guys do understand that it cost 25$ million to leave the conference.

    Which other 3 acc schools can afford that? And leave with fsu?

    Sadly, you think that's a $25M up-front, lump-sum fee and that we wouldn't have any means in getting that money. And can you tell me why it'd be $25M when it's widely been reported well prior to these expansion talks that it was $20M? Don't quote Barron as your source because he wasn't definitive on that figure and clearly some of his points were erroneous.

    This post was edited by tricknole on 5/14/2012 at 9:40 PM

    tricknole

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    Fsu president to the big 12. Thanks but no thanks. :-)

    His bosses have publicly stated that FSU must AT LEAST listen to the Big 12.

    tricknole

  • Brannen55 said...

    Notre Dame will not join the BIG 12. They have embarassing academic statistics.

    They were already in a conference (sans football) with WVU for years. Your line of reasoning holds no water based on that alone.

    FluffyBunny

  • PanicFSU said...

    The booster money is there. They just aren't inspired enough to let it loose.

    That is a quite asinine thing to say. So the booster's have the money, but are withholding. Which in turn, will be reflected in our recruiting budget.

    What we need is to stop bitching and start paying up. I do not care if you are only a 50.00 member, the more we get the more we will have.

    And yes I can criticize people for not being a booster I am a silver chief.

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  • HoopsCoach said...

    All of them when they go from making $13 million per year to $26 million per year.

    I don't understand or get why fsu fans feel like you been wronged by the acc. Yes its a basketball first league.
    But acc treats fsu like its 120,000 2013 Ferrari 460.
    Why go to big 12 and be under Texas,Oklahoma, Oklahoma state. And Baylor is not cake walk In football either. If yall wanna take the money and run. Fine but i will miss fsu. Fsu vs Maryland game were always good fun. If fsu leaves the acc. Its going to be a sad day for me :(. Like having a cousin move away.

    This post was edited by TerpsSoccer on 5/15/2012 at 5:41 PM

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  • gonoles1 said...

    The big 12 is willing to pay about half of that (WVU TCU)

    ok fair enough..i just wish ESPN gave the acc a sweeter deal. All the trillions they got. They could have atleast broke us off 16 million per school. Maybe given fsu its own network deal.

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  • TerpsSoccer said...

    I don't understand or get why fsu fans feel like you been wronged by the acc. Yes its a basketball first league.
    But acc treats fsu like its 120,000 2013 Ferrari 460.
    Why go to big 12 and be under Texas,Oklahoma, Oklahoma state. And Baylor is not cake walk In football either. If yall wanna take the money and run. Fine but i will miss fsu. Fsu vs Maryland game were always good fun. If fsu leaves the acc. Its going to be a sad day for me :(. Like having a cousin move away.

    Ummm.......I'm a UT fan. As a basketball coach myself, I have no problem with the ACC being a basketball 1st conference.

    But, if I was a fan of any of the ACC football schools I would leave. Your t.v. deal is a joke. Do you realize that ESPN just gave you a deal for $17 million per school for EVERY football and basketball game, when last year they gave UT $15 million per year for it's scraps? To make it worse you won't see the $17 mil until 2021. So UT is actually going to make more off their tier 3 than any ACC school for it's Tier 1, 2, and 3 combined.

    Trust me, I'm not trying to talk sh!* by throwing that out there. I just wanted you to see how bad the ACC deal is so you can understand why teams should want to leave.

    You also can't have a championship program without playing great teams week in and week out. This is where the Big 12 and the ACC football schools need each other.

    HoopsCoach

  • HoopsCoach said...

    Ummm.......I'm a UT fan. As a basketball coach myself, I have no problem with the ACC being a basketball 1st conference.

    But, if I was a fan of any of the ACC football schools I would leave. Your t.v. deal is a joke. Do you realize that ESPN just gave you a deal for $17 million per school for EVERY football and basketball game, when last year they gave UT $15 million per year for it's scraps? To make it worse you won't see the $17 mil until 2021. So UT is actually going to make more off their tier 3 than any ACC school for it's Tier 1, 2, and 3 combined.

    Trust me, I'm not trying to talk sh!* by throwing that out there. I just wanted you to see how bad the ACC deal is so you can understand why teams should want to leave.

    You also can't have a championship program without playing great teams week in and week out. This is where the Big 12 and the ACC football schools need each other.

    Like if all people you should know this..football is not the #1 goal for universities. Your a leader if young people. I hope for their sake you push them to get all the education they can get. Saying football first acc schools should leave is just silly. That's like I saying Kansas , K stats and Baylor, Iowa state should leave the big 12, because their basketball schools. Makes no sense at all.

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  • ZZ1059 said...

    That is a quite asinine thing to say. So the booster's have the money, but are withholding. Which in turn, will be reflected in our recruiting budget.

    What we need is to stop bitching and start paying up. I do not care if you are only a 50.00 member, the more we get the more we will have.

    And yes I can criticize people for not being a booster I am a silver chief.

    Well, I am a booster and donate a pretty good amount of money. I live in Atlanta and still have season tickets. So I do support.

    So in regard to your comment about it being "asinine for people to withhold money:" people aren't going to give money when they aren't happy with the organization.

    Barron didn't help things when he alienated people by saying people were donating to the wrong things. He essentially cock blocked the boosters efforts.

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    Like if all people you should know this..football is not the #1 goal for universities. Your a leader if young people. I hope for their sake you push them to get all the education they can get. Saying football first acc schools should leave is just silly. That's like I saying Kansas , K stats and Baylor, Iowa state should leave the big 12, because their basketball schools. Makes no sense at all.

    Imo every school that can leave, should leave really. Why make $17 million in 2021 when you can make $24 million + in a couple of years.

    And to your comments about Kansas, KSU, Baylor, and ISU.........I will say this. If they can leave the Big 12 and make almost twice as much $ as they will in the Big 12, then they should leave. Whether it be for football or basketball reasons.

    HoopsCoach

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    Like if all people you should know this..football is not the #1 goal for universities. Your a leader if young people. I hope for their sake you push them to get all the education they can get. Saying football first acc schools should leave is just silly. That's like I saying Kansas , K stats and Baylor, Iowa state should leave the big 12, because their basketball schools. Makes no sense at all.

    How is FSU prevented from educating it's students if it plays football in the Big 12 and not the ACC?

    Answer: It is not.

    55Nole

  • TerpsSoccer said...

    I don't understand or get why fsu fans feel like you been wronged by the acc. Yes its a basketball first league. But acc treats fsu like its 120,000 2013 Ferrari 460. Why go to big 12 and be under Texas,Oklahoma, Oklahoma state. And Baylor is not cake walk In football either. If yall wanna take the money and run. Fine but i will miss fsu. Fsu vs Maryland game were always good fun. If fsu leaves the acc. Its going to be a sad day for me :(. Like having a cousin move away.

    You mean like when Clemson was put on FSU's schedule after the Oklahoma game (Clemson's schedule was even worse)?

    How was FSU treated when FSU fans were 1000 times more happy about the SEC refs at the Swamp last year than they were with ACC refs in Doak? THAT alone paints the picture of how FSU is treated in this conference.

    Money is the main reason, but Stevie Wonder can see how FSU is treated in this conference. Let's not rewrite history and pretend like the ACC has been anything but antagonistic towards football and the football schools.

    55Nole

  • MarineMountie said...

    Laughable post.

    No offense, but you are missing key facts. ND will not join the Big 10 because of the CIC. They object to stem cell research, which is big in the B1G. ND will be allowed its own network. Assume they get around $10-$15M, like UT. That's on top of the approx $30M tv contract with ND included. Add a few mil in BCS payouts and a couple mil from the new bowl with SEC. ND is looking at minimum $40M in the Big 12. With schools leaving the ACC, why in the world would they do that? There's no football future in the ACC. It will be a stellar basketball league. But RPI and SOS will keep ACC schools out of the playoff race most years.

    Edit: apologies Marine. This was directed at the person you quoted. Hit the wrong post.

    This post was edited by BuGrad95 on 5/20/2012 at 12:41 AM

    BuGrad95

  • 55Nole said...

    How is FSU prevented from educating it's students if it plays football in the Big 12 and not the ACC?

    Answer: It is not.

    Question: Is FSU's primary function as a University to be in the sports entertainment business?

    Chris_topher

  • Chris_topher said...

    Question: Is FSU's primary function as a University to be in the sports entertainment business?

    lol, you didn't answer the question at all.

    otown nole29245

  • o-town nole said...

    lol, you didn't answer the question at all.

    I was looking for a sad trombone sound effect :)

    Chris_topher

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