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President Barron's full email response

  • I want to assure you that any decision made about FSU athletics will be
    reasoned and thoughtful and based on athletics, finances and academics.
    Allow me to provide you with some of the issues we are facing:

    In support of a move are four basic factors argued by many alumni:

    1. The ACC is more basketball than it is football, and many of our alumni
    view us as more football oriented than the ACC
    2. The ACC is too North Carolina centric and the contract advantages
    basketball and hence advantages the North Carolina schools
    3. The Big 12 has some big football schools that match up with FSU
    4. The Big 12 contract (which actually isn't signed yet) is rumored to be
    $2.9M more per year than the ACC contract. We need this money to be
    competitive.

    But, in contrast:

    1. The information presented about the ACC contract that initiated the
    blogosphere discussion was not correct. The ACC is an equal share
    conference and this applies to football and to basketball ­ there is no
    preferential treatment of any university with the exception of 3rd tier
    rights for women's basketball and Olympic sports. FSU is advantaged by
    that aspect of the contract over the majority of other ACC schools.
    2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in
    part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has
    considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say
    this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the
    Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas
    would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it
    would be interesting to see the fan reaction.
    3. Much is being made of the extra $2.9M that the Big 12 contract (which
    hasn't been inked yet) gets over the ACC contract. Given that the Texas
    schools are expected to play each other (the Big 12 is at least as Texas
    centered than the ACC is North Carolina centered), the most likely
    scenario has FSU playing Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and West
    Virginia on a recurring basis and the other teams sporadically (and one
    more unnamed team has to join to allow the Big 12 to regain a championship
    game), we realize that our sports teams can no longer travel by bus to
    most games ­ the estimate is that the travel by plane required by FSU to
    be in the Big 12 appears to exceed the $2.9M difference in the contract ­
    actually giving us fewer dollars than we have now to be competitive with
    the Big 12 teams, who obviously do not have to travel as far. Any
    renegotiated amount depends not just on FSU but the caliber of any other
    new team to the Big 12.
    4. Few believe that the above teams will fill our stadium with fans of
    these teams and so our lack of sales and ticket revenue would continue.
    5. We would lose the rivalry with University of Miami that does fill our
    stadium
    6. It will cost between $20M and $25M to leave the ACC ­ we have no idea
    where that money would come from. It would have to come from the Boosters
    which currently are unable to support our current University athletic
    budget, hence the 2% cut in that budget.
    7. The faculty are adamantly opposed to joining a league that is
    academically weaker ­ and in fact, many of them resent the fact that a 2%
    ($2.4M) deficit in the athletics budget receives so much attention from
    concerned Seminoles, but the loss of 25% of the academic budget (105M)
    gets none when it is the most critical concern of this University in terms
    of its successful future.

    I present these issues to you so that you realize that this is not so
    simple (not to mention that negotiations aren't even taking place). One
    of the few wise comments made in the blogosphere is that no one negotiates
    their future in the media. We can't afford to have conference affiliation
    be governed by emotion ­ it has to be based on a careful assessment of
    athletics, finances and academics. I assure you that every aspect of
    conference affiliation will be looked at by this institution, but it must
    be a reasoned decision.

    Eric Barron
    President

    This post was edited by Corey Dowlar on 5/14/2012 at 2:13 PM

    Twitter: http://twitter.com/cdowlar

    Corey Dowlar

  • gonoles1

  • i am done following these "rumors" and "statements" and will re-engage when something concrete happens...

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    ScalpEm10

  • According to their fans, excess travel costs will be absorbed by the conference not FSU. They could certainly be wrong but I also think Barron is not on the pulse with this. I guess we will find out if a formal offer is tendered.

    The 25% loss of the academic budget has nothing to do with our conference. He and FSU lobbyists were asleep at the wheel when the new land grant university took plunder from the in-state schools on a bill proposed by Ben Hill Griffin's grandson.

    I still have yet to see Barron present a cogent argument about why conference affiliation is so important to our academic future yet it has been a staple of his adamant loyalty to the ACC since he arrived on campus.

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    healthguyfsu

  • I wonder how many people it took to draft that email...

    seminolelive84

  • So far he hasn't done much damage if any at all but I sense some ignorance in this man that may cause major issues down the road.

    fsufsu

  • Surprised on the coverage of this Big 12 stuff on this site. It is through the roof on other sites, yet the mods her post a link to website here and there make no comments really are mum on the whole subject. Kinda odd to me

    Ocalanole

  • The way the FSU brass has handled this entire situation is embarrassing and bizarre. In fairness, most teams involved with expansion rumors have done the same, but this reeks of chaos going on between the admins and BOT, Jimbo, etc. with no one being on the same page.

    I just wish everyone would hush on FSU's side and do all of their homework (by this, I mean concrete #'s on the $ differences) and negotiating behind closed doors and make the best decision for the school and move on.

    alanole82

  • Corey Dowlar said...

    2. Colorado, Missouri, Nebraska and Texas A&M left the Big 12, at least in
    part because the Big 12 is not an equal share conference. Texas has
    considerably more resource avenues and gains a larger share (and I say
    this as a former dean of the University of Texas at Austin - I watched the
    Big 12 disintegration with interest). So, when fans realize that Texas
    would get more dollars than FSU, always having a competitive advantage, it
    would be interesting to see the fan reaction.

    Eric Barron President

    When Colorado and Nebraska left, that statement may have been partially true; when a&m and Missouri left, that statement is entirely false. The Big12 agreed to equal revenue sharing of all tier 1 and 2 rights (in an effort to keep Missouri from leaving), which are the only rights covered by the television contracts. Each school controls its own television rights regarding tier 3.

    Also, comparing any team's resources to that of Texas' is outrageous. Texas Football pulled in nearly $100 million last season, the second highest was just over $70 million. Oklahoma is the 10th most profitable program in the country at $58+ million taken in. They have done just fine against Texas recently. The first ACC schools would be V.Tech Football $31mil and Duke Basketball $27mil.

    Scharnell

  • That entire email was embarrassing. Not shocking though considering the way FSU has handled the last week has been totally embarrassing and incompetent. It would be good if everybody would just shut up right now instead of sending 30 different mixed signals. Notice how Clemson's BOT chair just came out with a statement today saying that speaking about things that are indefinite does nobody any good.

    This also just goes to show how handicapped FSU by having a horrible athletic director that is just a puppet.

    otown nole29245

  • This is a joke right? This is about fsu athletics and not academics. He needs to work on the budget for the school ( his job ) and let the big boys find a solution to the athletic short comings. If he Barron is incapable of this, bring in someome who can get the job done. So far he has FAILED...

    It appears we got a fight brewing as expected . The BOTs need to stand their ground. Our President is basically another Donna Shalalla lol...And Please spare us with this Higher Institute BS. Degrees from FSU are dime a dozen ...

    NoleDude

  • Did you happen to catch the part where not only belittled B12 academics, but did it on behalf of the entire faculty?

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    WillyDees

  • Ocalanole said...

    Surprised on the coverage of this Big 12 stuff on this site. It is through the roof on other sites, yet the mods her post a link to website here and there make no comments really are mum on the whole subject. Kinda odd to me

    Other sites have gotten embarrassed in the past for not exercising restraint.

    Just sayin'

    FluffyBunny

  • o-town nole said...

    That entire email was embarrassing. Not shocking though considering the way FSU has handled the last week has been totally embarrassing and incompetent. It would be good if everybody would just shut up right now instead of sending 30 different mixed signals. Notice how Clemson's BOT chair just came out with a statement today saying that speaking about things that are indefinite does nobody any good.

    This also just goes to show how handicapped FSU by having a horrible athletic director that is just a puppet.

    That email is both disingenuous and ignorant. Barron has some stones correcting Haggard when he himself is woefully misinformed as well.

    I don't think I'm giving any more money to this university until I can be assured it's spent wisely. The people in charge shouldn't be running a lawncare service much less a university.

    95nole

  • FluffyBunny said...

    Other sites have gotten embarrassed in the past for not exercising restraint.

    Just sayin'

    Coverage is coverage, I do9n't see how the folks who run this site expressing their opinions would be embarrassing. This same letter has 200+ comments on another site, with the mod breaking every part of it down, yet I pay money here.

    Ocalanole

  • #7 makes me the most angry.

    He basically called out the boosters. You know, the guys that pay for stuff.

    Wait until people start threatening to stop donating.

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • This is getting embarassing.

    This post was edited by PanicFSU on 5/14/2012 at 3:02 PM

    "Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers

    PanicFSU

  • Ocalanole said...

    Surprised on the coverage of this Big 12 stuff on this site. It is through the roof on other sites, yet the mods her post a link to website here and there make no comments really are mum on the whole subject. Kinda odd to me

    I think it is a credit to the staff here that they only report the facts and not rumors. As of now, these are just rumors. If Josh, Corey or Tom start posting that we are moving to the Big 12 then I will believe it.

    StPete_Nole7203

  • Just shut up already. You are making fsu look like fools.

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    bomftdrum

  • WillyDees said...

    Did you happen to catch the part where not only belittled B12 academics, but did it on behalf of the entire faculty?

    I did Willy, it almost appears that he is trying to embarrass The Big 12 guys so they won't offer us an invite.

    I guess I just need to calm down and enjoy this spat, afterall, I just learned from Barron, that I have one of the most prestigious degrees in the south lol...

    NoleDude

  • Ocalanole said...

    Surprised on the coverage of this Big 12 stuff on this site. It is through the roof on other sites, yet the mods her post a link to website here and there make no comments really are mum on the whole subject. Kinda odd to me

    Would you rather have them pester someone about a completely hypothetical situation until the person makes a statement on the record that sends everyone into a tizzy and starts a sh!tstorm? Not that that happened...

    FSULaura

  • Ocalanole said...

    Coverage is coverage, I do9n't see how the folks who run this site expressing their opinions would be embarrassing. This same letter has 200+ comments on another site, with the mod breaking every part of it down, yet I pay money here.

    I'm not sure how any mod is going to provide anything more then opinion. No one has the answers to the situation so to go out and make comments is putting themselves out more then they may want to professionally... No one wants to be held accountable for something that is so up in the air, or burn bridges with connections they have.

    Just my 2 cents

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    crw04d

  • Alright who hacked His email account ?

    madibeth

  • He cannot be that Stupid. He just....can't....be....

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    FSU NUT

  • Dot runs a subscriber bait circus on these kind of issues. That is a completely different product. In the end, he can deny that his information was made up and say that everything fell apart at the 11th hour. It makes for good entertaining reading I'll give you that but it is substanceless.

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