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Penn State alums show record support for child abusers

  • In a move that should surprise few considering the protests in support of a dethroned madman (Paterno), PSU supporters recorded the second highest donation amount in school history. They should have just cut the checks directly to the victims that their administration helped into getting raped by covering up this whole mess for years.

    What the hell is wrong with these PSU people? I wouldn't even want to be associated with that university anymore if I were them, but they are giving money hand over fist.

    Penn State Nittany Lions say donations second highest in school history - ESPN

    Penn State received more than $208 million in donations for the fiscal year that just ended, the second-highest total in university history despite the upheaval after the arrest of Jerry Sandusky on child sex abuse charges.

    espn.go.com

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • Did you read the article? In your haste to demonize every person who attended the school seems the majority of this windfall is coincidental and would've happened regardless of the disgusting events that took place.

    I have friends and family who are PSU alums. Believe me when I say no one is rallying around sex offenders. At this point people are just trying to move past it.

    BigErn

  • Nothing wrong with supporting your school in hard times - they aren't supporting sex abuse they are trying to rally around the school as a few bad men shouldn't ruin an entire school

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    crw04d

  • Just to echo a couple things already said ITT, you shouldn't let a couple of bad men ruin the reputation and perception of the entire school. The donors are supporting Penn State (at a time when they really need support, and not necessarily monetary support) and aren't rallying around child molesters.

    EnterTheOcho

  • I have to admit I'm surprised by this reaction. Yes, if it were just Sandusky, I would agree. But (as will become clear from the Freeh investigation) there clearly was a conceal and protect the program mentality through every level of the administration. I am surprised people would continue to donate when the school put people who were morally corrupt in places of the highest authority for decades and cost probably dozens of childrens lives (essentially) by their intentional misdeeds. There is something institutionally broken there.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • Cuthbert said...

    I have to admit I'm surprised by this reaction. Yes, if it were just Sandusky, I would agree. But (as will become clear from the Freeh investigation) there clearly was a conceal and protect the program mentality through every level of the administration. I am surprised people would continue to donate when the school put people who were morally corrupt in places of the highest authority for decades and cost probably dozens of childrens lives (essentially) by their intentional misdeeds. There is something institutionally broken there.

    Dude's got a point...

    rocko20

  • Cuthbert said...

    I have to admit I'm surprised by this reaction. Yes, if it were just Sandusky, I would agree. But (as will become clear from the Freeh investigation) there clearly was a conceal and protect the program mentality through every level of the administration. I am surprised people would continue to donate when the school put people who were morally corrupt in places of the highest authority for decades and cost probably dozens of childrens lives (essentially) by their intentional misdeeds. There is something institutionally broken there.

    They're donating to the institution, unless you have evidence those checks were made out directly to the morally corrupt I'm not sure I see what your getting at.

    Nole27

  • I'm with you Cuthbert. I hope they never recover from the biggest child sex cover up in recent history. It makes me sick how many school employees knew about it or suspected yet did nothing.

    Hubster01

  • Nole27 said...

    They're donating to the institution, unless you have evidence those checks were made out directly to the morally corrupt I'm not sure I see what your getting at.

    The point is, I think, that it's imprudent to give money to a school that has made all the wrong decisions and promoted a culture of concealment with respect to things that could hurt the football program--and as a direct result, lives were ruined and children were raped. I would personally stop giving until this investigation comes out and the true root of the problem is torn out of that university.

    Not sure how people can justify "just moving past it" when some of the source of the problem may yet remain. I'm sure there are lots of great people associated with the university, but those people have been overshadowed by persons that are apparently very powerful and control the mindset of many who should have been rational and responsible people.

    Freeh's Penn State investigation may delve far beyond Sandusky - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/state/freehs-psu-investigation-may-delve-far-beyond-sandusky-644041/?p=2

    www.post-gazette.com

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • Personally, I would support my SCHOOL after going through such a very difficult time too. I understand the concerns that a widespread issue may pervade the PSU administration, but you give hoping that your donation will help to remove those corrupt people and help sustain the university these people know and love. There are two sides to this and I am sure those donors will demand their money back if they knew it were going to continue a child sex case that reaches WELLLLL beyond football.

    It makes me sick to know there was a cover up and people knew this was going on. While I know the situations are vastly different, when we went through our Music Class junk, I increased my donation to FSU in the hope that FSU would find the right solution and right people to fill vacant positions. I would hope that PSU alums are doing the same with their donations.

    WRobins

  • We are in no way as bad as shape as PSU, and I wish people would support us as well.

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    ZZ1059

  • Hubster01 said...

    I'm with you Cuthbert. I hope they never recover from the biggest child sex cover up in recent history. It makes me sick how many school employees knew about it or suspected yet did nothing.

    Actually it's probably the 2nd largest child sexual abuse cover up in history, although they do share a commonality aside from children being abused.

    levynole

  • WRobins said...

    Personally, I would support my SCHOOL after going through such a very difficult time too. I understand the concerns that a widespread issue may pervade the PSU administration, but you give hoping that your donation will help to remove those corrupt people and help sustain the university these people know and love. There are two sides to this and I am sure those donors will demand their money back if they knew it were going to continue a child sex case that reaches WELLLLL beyond football.

    It makes me sick to know there was a cover up and people knew this was going on. While I know the situations are vastly different, when we went through our Music Class junk, I increased my donation to FSU in the hope that FSU would find the right solution and right people to fill vacant positions. I would hope that PSU alums are doing the same with their donations.

    You are correct the situations are wildly different on many levels. Most important for this discussion (aside from the fact that no one got raped because of our lack of oversight on the music class) is that the music class resulted from some lack of oversight with a few people at middle and lower levels--not the President, Vice President, and others in the top positions in the school. Also, they weren't willfully ignoring and helping cover up a crime (one of the worst type, too).

    That indicates a Board of Trustees level and down problem. "Systemic" failure of moral accountability is the key. I don't think you reward the SCHOOL for that until it shows it has removed the problem (which must start somewhere above the President of the university).

    I didn't say stop giving forever, but maybe wait until all the bad eggs are gone first.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • Children were raped. There's no "just moving past it" in this scenario.

    And BTW, that SCHOOL they are donating to put those child molesters in power. I don't really see how blindly donating money to a school, which obviously made terrible decisions hiring these people, before this investigation is concluded and the truth is revealed is such a good idea.

    TNoles813

  • Fools might as well pre-endorse the backs of their donation checks to the trial lawyers. Deep pockets about to get much more shallow.

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    gonoles2011

  • Cuthbert said...

    In a move that should surprise few considering the protests in support of a dethroned madman (Paterno), PSU supporters recorded the second highest donation amount in school history. They should have just cut the checks directly to the victims that their administration helped into getting raped by covering up this whole mess for years.

    What the hell is wrong with these PSU people? I wouldn't even want to be associated with that university anymore if I were them, but they are giving money hand over fist.

    What a stupid take on this situation. Everyone is enjoying flaming PSU but your take on their fans and alumni rallying around their program and university is just bad.

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 7/10/2012 at 11:43 AM

    fsufsu

  • Cuthbert said...

    The point is, I think, that it's imprudent to give money to a school that has made all the wrong decisions and promoted a culture of concealment with respect to things that could hurt the football program--and as a direct result, lives were ruined and children were raped. I would personally stop giving until this investigation comes out and the true root of the problem is torn out of that university.

    Not sure how people can justify "just moving past it" when some of the source of the problem may yet remain. I'm sure there are lots of great people associated with the university, but those people have been overshadowed by persons that are apparently very powerful and control the mindset of many who should have been rational and responsible people.

    I'm justifying nothing. I'm just not crossing that lengthy bridge you've constructed for yourself that allows you to draw parallels between a donation, and an endorsement.

    Nole27

  • Wow this thread is so stupid I don't even know where to begin or how to respond. I feel like I'm listening to PETA compare the holocaust to the meat industry. There's just no point in responding because it will get you no where.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by RyRog on 7/10/2012 at 4:06 PM

    RyRog

  • fsufsu said...

    What a stupid take on this situation. Everyone is enjoying flaming PSU but your take on their fans and alumni rallying around their program and university is just bad.

    Just playing devils advocate, but why is it OK to "rally around" a school for being so negligent that a child rape scandal just went national news on them?

    Is that how this works? They screw up and children are raped and in response we should donate MORE?

    What kind of message does that send to PSU administration? "if we screw up they'll donate more money"?

    TNoles813

  • Never more of a pseudo-elitist than those affiliated with Penn State. I hate it for the kids, but eff them all.

    Bama fans, for all their pain in my ass, never try to be smarter than you, politer than you, and faker than you. Bama fans are just more abnoxious than you and understand they are dumb ass rednecks.

    I enjoy laughing at the busted baronial balloon.

    NewtonNole

  • T-Noles813 said...

    Just playing devils advocate, but why is it OK to "rally around" a school for being so negligent that a child rape scandal just went national news on them?

    Is that how this works? They screw up and children are raped and in response we should donate MORE?

    What kind of message does that send to PSU administration? "if we screw up they'll donate more money"?

    Exactly. What is the difference for a faceless booster in "contributing" and "condoning"? Are there different color checks for "I don't approve of your behavior, but support the university" versus "Keep up the good work"?

    You send a message to the school with your donation (or lack thereof).

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • T-Noles813 said...

    Just playing devils advocate, but why is it OK to "rally around" a school for being so negligent that a child rape scandal just went national news on them?

    Is that how this works? They screw up and children are raped and in response we should donate MORE?

    What kind of message does that send to PSU administration? "if we screw up they'll donate more money"?

    I'm sure that's how the PSU administration will interpret the donations....

    RyRog

  • T-Noles813 said...

    What kind of message does that send to PSU administration? "if we screw up they'll donate more money"?

    Get real.

    Leighty

  • I'm with the OP on this one. Early signs from the Freeh report indicate that a staggering amount of people knew about Sandusky. If I were a PSU alum I would feel betrayed and think twice about my donation.

    PeterMan83

  • Here is a tidbit for you "let's just move on" people.

    The probe's leader, former FBI director Louis Freeh, has released a statement saying that the probe's "most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky’s child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State.

    "The most powerful men at Penn State failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized," Freeh said. "Messrs. Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley never demonstrated, through actions or words, any concern for the safety and well-being of Sandusky’s victims until after Sandusky’s arrest."

    This coverup is one of the most sickening things I have ever heard of at an institutional level. I'll go a step further and say that I am disgusted with anyone who doesn't demand that any remaining people in the school's administration or board that had any level of knowledge whatsoever be fired.

    "The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing." --Edmund Burke

    This post was edited by Cuthbert on 7/12/2012 at 8:30 AM

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