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Memo to anyone crying about Clowney not being able to go PRO

  • The NFL makes kids sit out 3-years after graduating, because it greatly increases their fan base....as fans who become emotionally
    attached to a kid for 3-years in college, are significantly more likely to follow that kids career into the pros.

    The NBA recently realized how succesful this has worked for the NFL, and created their own rule...for the same reasons....with plans to scale it up (for longer than a year), as soon as the knee-jerk backlash dies down.

    -It's not because they aren't physically ready (some are/some arent)
    -It's not because of any other made up PR BS.

    It's simply smart business. It greatly eases the burden of transitioning audiences from college sports to pro sports.

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  • Think some people forget that. I remember whe Gamecock fans thought that he might go elsewhere an administrator at his high school was openly talking about his transcripts saying he wasn't going to qualify anyway. As much as I love it College football is clearly about exploiting these kids talents for gigantic profits.. Good business model

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  • Exploit is a strong word. Colleges spend $1,000s to get these guys on campus and $10s of thousands for academics, rent, food etc. They have a good deal.

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  • fsukum said...

    Exploit is a strong word. Colleges spend $1,000s to get these guys on campus and $10s of thousands for academics, rent, food etc. They have a good deal.

    Jimbo makes 3mill

    Kids get 50k worth of scholarships and food.

    NFL coach gets 4 mill and average player gets over a mill.

    Great deal

    mmusi34

  • It is a great deal. Most of these kids would never get into college without athletics. They get to earn a degree and play in front of thousands of fans. They get free tutors, and all the athletic support to help them achieve their goals. If players think they're being exploited then they can pay their own way to college and be a normal student. I don't understand where the entitlement mentality comes from. If 85 average players were playing for FSU against 85 average players for UF, would you be any less passionate about the outcome? I doubt it.

    What the NCAa needs to do is stop letting these kids play in HS allstar games if they are not yet qualified to get into school.

    MNC

  • FsuFanForever said...

    The NFL makes kids sit out 3-years after graduating, because it greatly increases their fan base....as fans who become emotionally
    attached to a kid for 3-years in college, are significantly more likely to follow that kids career into the pros.

    The NBA recently realized how succesful this has worked for the NFL, and created their own rule...for the same reasons....with plans to scale it up (for longer than a year), as soon as the knee-jerk backlash dies down.

    -It's not because they aren't physically ready (some are/some arent)
    -It's not because of any other made up PR BS.

    It's simply smart business. It greatly eases the burden of transitioning audiences from college sports to pro sports.

    I completely disagree. It has everything to do with players physically maturing and it gives teams more game tape to review. Teams make fewer mistakes across the board with the exception of QB. The Players Union were big proponets of this rule as they wanted to protect their current members. This is very similar to the rookie wage scale in both the NBA and the NFL. Both unions agreed to this on the basis that those monies be spent on the veteran players.

    In my opinion, this rule doesnt increase an NFL teams fan base at all. Are more people going to follow Clowney and his NFL team because he spent 3 years at SC instead of 2?

    noleinohio

  • mmusi34 said...

    Jimbo makes 3mill

    Kids get 50k worth of scholarships and food.

    NFL coach gets 4 mill and average player gets over a mill.

    Great deal

    Very true but how may kids never contribute on the field and never would have gotten a scholarship to anywhere if it wasnt for athletics

    Lincoln Hawk

  • noleinohio said...

    I completely disagree. It has everything to do with players physically maturing and it gives teams more game tape to review. Teams make fewer mistakes across the board with the exception of QB. The Players Union were big proponets of this rule as they wanted to protect their current members. This is very similar to the rookie wage scale in both the NBA and the NFL. Both unions agreed to this on the basis that those monies be spent on the veteran players.

    In my opinion, this rule doesnt increase an NFL teams fan base at all. Are more people going to follow Clowney and his NFL team because he spent 3 years at SC instead of 2?

    Why did the NBA adopt it, when there is zero physical risk.... and the fastest way to develop as an athlete is in the bigs? Because of the value of having MJ come into the league with Tarheel fans... vs... having Lebron/Kobe come in with no college following... It opens your door to the subset of fans who closely follow a college.

    And... yes, more (casual) SC fans will get to know Clowney better, developing a closer emotional bond. And generally, this is how human nature works, do you love a girl after the first date? Or more after the first month? How about the second? The emotion of liking/loving generally increases as time passes, if all variables remain the same.

    This post was edited by FsuFanForever on 2/14/2013 at 3:41 PM

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  • If we had to go through that Clarett saga a decade ago and he wasn't granted early eligibility...I don't think Clowney should be allowed to either.

    RyRog

  • Lincoln Hawk said...

    Very true but how may kids never contribute on the field and never would have gotten a scholarship to anywhere if it wasnt for athletics

    There are also roughly 1,700 NFL players versus roughly 10,000 NCAA players.

    FSU generated $82 million this year while the average NFL team generated $259 million. Not an entirely fair comparison.

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  • mmusi34 said...

    Jimbo makes 3mill

    Kids get 50k worth of scholarships and food.

    NFL coach gets 4 mill and average player gets over a mill.

    Great deal

    Yeah, because it's not like Jimbo didn't work hard to get his career to where it is now. He was just given that salary right out the gates and didn't earn shit just like every HS recruit you want to pay.

    Are you seriously suggesting that starting off with a 50k salary to play a sport as an amateur and give you an opportunity to earn millions is a bad deal?

    This post was edited by RyRog on 2/14/2013 at 5:06 PM

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  • MNC said...

    It is a great deal. Most of these kids would never get into college without athletics. They get to earn a degree and play in front of thousands of fans. They get free tutors, and all the athletic support to help them achieve their goals. If players think they're being exploited then they can pay their own way to college and be a normal student. I don't understand where the entitlement mentality comes from. If 85 average players were playing for FSU against 85 average players for UF, would you be any less passionate about the outcome? I doubt it.

    What the NCAa needs to do is stop letting these kids play in HS allstar games if they are not yet qualified to get into school.

    For most college players it is a great deal. For the ones that are on the front page of espn throughout the season and who are used by the networks to promote the big games every Saturday it's not such a good deal. Those tv contracts are worth billions. The scholarships the players receive do not even come close to being fair compensation for the amount of money their skill generates.

    Also, I rarely if ever hear about college players complaining about this so I'm not sure what your talking about with entitlement mentality.

    Yes if stud football players no longer needed to attend college to be able to go pro many of us would care much less about the outcome of the FSU v uf football game. The tv contracts wouldn't be worth billions anymore. It would become similar to college baseball or DIV 2 football. Less fans and much less money.

    dennisnole

  • dennisnole said...

    For most college players it is a great deal. For the ones that are on the front page of espn throughout the season and who are used by the networks to promote the big games every Saturday it's not such a good deal. Those tv contracts are worth billions. The scholarships the players receive do not even come close to being fair compensation for the amount of money their skill generates.

    Also, I rarely if ever hear about college players complaining about this so I'm not sure what your talking about with entitlement mentality.

    Yes if stud football players no longer needed to attend college to be able to go pro many of us would care much less about the outcome of the FSU v uf football game. The tv contracts wouldn't be worth billions anymore. It would become similar to college baseball or DIV 2 football. Less fans and much less money.

    I'll say this, the first day the NCAA allows schools to give salaries to college players will be the same day that marks the end for FSU football, the team/school pride mentality and the parity surrounding football. FSU has spent in the red for 3 straight years, how do you propose they (and schools significantly worse off than FSU financially) afford to give players salaries as well?

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  • fsukum said...

    I'll say this, the first day the NCAA allows schools to give salaries to college players will be the same day that marks the end for FSU football, the team/school pride mentality and the parity surrounding football. FSU has spent in the red for 3 straight years, how do you propose they (and schools significantly worse off than FSU financially) afford to give players salaries as well?

    I agree completely that it will mark the end of FSU.

    But that doesn't change the fact that for star players, like Clowney, people are making millions off his name and in return he gets to attend school for free. It isn't a good deal for him. There isn't a good solution here, but pretending some players (not all) aren't getting screwed over isn't helping.

    given2fly

  • mmusi34 said...

    Jimbo makes 3mill

    Kids get 50k worth of scholarships and food.

    NFL coach gets 4 mill and average player gets over a mill.

    Great deal

    They don't like the deal? Nobody is forcing them to accept it.

    This post was edited by Fabulous_nole on 2/14/2013 at 7:01 PM

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  • given2fly said...

    I agree completely that it will mark the end of FSU.

    But that doesn't change the fact that for star players, like Clowney, people are making millions off his name and in return he gets to attend school for free. It isn't a good deal for him. There isn't a good solution here, but pretending some players (not all) aren't getting screwed over isn't helping.

    Right or wrong, college athletics promote equality. These players don't have to go to college if they feel they are being exploited. They are being given a $50,000 education and in a lot of cases, significantly more than that. We act as if they're being taken advantage of. Every successful business model is the same way. The CEOs of the world make the chunk change while the laborers see very little (NFL just had a dispute over this). That's just the way capitalism works; you earn your stripes.

    The average FSU player is getting .11% of FSU's TV revenue while the average NFL player is getting .35% their team's TV revenue, but keep in mind the NCAA allows 32 more players on the "payroll".

    It's not apples to apples, but I saw a 40% raise upon graduation. These elite athletes are seeing a 5,000% "raise" upon "graduation" on average ($700,000 a year) and in most cases, significantly more.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by fsukum on 2/14/2013 at 7:21 PM

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  • I think the NFL is very smart in this. The NBA will copy them. The OP is correct. But even more important is that the vast majority of these players will not play pro ball. So they will end up with a $200K to $400K education, along with more help than any average student can expect.

    I do think that student/athletes should have a higher stipend closer to what graduate students make. $12K-$24K annually would be about right. This would be across the board including swimmers and soccer players. This is to make up for the lack of ability to work these athletes have because of the demands of their training.

    College basketball is being ruined by the 1 and done rule. They will back off of it.

    They should bring back the freshman ineligible rule so that athletes can get their act together academically before they have to perform.

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  • Fabulous_nole said...

    They don't like the deal? Nobody is forcing them to accept it.

    That has been and always will be a ridiculous counter argument.. You get into college to better yourself in any way possible. Use that argument when a pharmaceutical major is interning at Eli And Lilly for 20 plus hours a week for 4 years and flying all over the country doing seminars for them to keep their scholarships...

    ftworthnole42912

  • ftworthnole42912 said...

    That has been and always will be a ridiculous counter argument.. You get into college to better yourself in any way possible. Use that argument when a pharmaceutical major is interning at Eli And Lilly for 20 plus hours a week for 4 years and flying all over the country doing seminars for them to keep their scholarships...

    So then it's not just these athletes being exploited. Like I said, you earn your stripes in this country.

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  • fsukum said...

    Right or wrong, college athletics promote equality. These players don't have to go to college if they feel they are being exploited. They are being given a $50,000 education and in a lot of cases, significantly more than that. We act as if they're being taken advantage of. Every successful business model is the same way. The CEOs of the world make the chunk change while the laborers see very little (NFL just had a dispute over this). That's just the way capitalism works; you earn your stripes.

    The average FSU player is getting .11% of FSU's TV revenue while the average NFL player is getting .35% their team's TV revenue, but keep in mind the NCAA allows 32 more players on the "payroll".

    It's not apples to apples, but I saw a 40% raise upon graduation. These elite athletes are seeing a 5,000% "raise" upon "graduation" on average ($700,000 a year) and in most cases, significantly more.

    That's less than 2% of an 100 man roster though.. Not equivalent to the normal student body.. I don't get this free education stuff.. Athletes perform a service for their scholarships.. Not Sallie Mae but not just keep a certain gpa and rock on either..

    ftworthnole42912

  • ftworthnole42912 said...

    That's less than 2% of an 100 man roster though.. Not equivalent to the normal student body.. I don't get this free education stuff.. Athletes perform a service for their scholarships.. Not Sallie Mae but not just keep a certain gpa and rock on either..

    You're correct. They perform a service that earns them roughly $15,000 a year (up to $30,000 a year for OOS guys) in education, food and rent.

    This post was edited by fsukum on 2/14/2013 at 8:00 PM

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  • fsukum said...

    You're correct. They perform a service that earns them roughly $15,000 a year (up to $30,000 a year for OOS guys) in education, food and rent.

    Lets be clear.. I grew up in a small town. My way to my education was by way of becoming an Aviation Storekeeper in the United States Navy.. So trust me I know about earning my stripes though. We just disagree slightly that's all

    ftworthnole42912

  • Its all BS...He should be allowed to go to the NFL. Its a joke!!

    Bmaster35

  • If you allow him to go pro, you will start an a avalanche that will kill college football just like it has college basketball.

    This post was edited by ZZ1059 on 2/15/2013 at 4:57 AM

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  • ZZ1059 said...

    If you allow him to go pro, you will start an a avalanche that will kill college football just like it has college basketball.

    Yes. Just heard Mike and Mike having this discussion again... The skinny one was firmly FOR allowing the NFL to draft any kid, any age they want.

    In my opinion, it's a move that would completely blow up college football. College basketball is a hell of a lot less enjoyable for me, than it was growing up in the 80s-90s, because of the NBA plucking kids early.

    If I owned a company like 247sports.com, I'd be entering this debate out of self preservation... Interest in college football would go down the toilet if this happened... How fun would signing day be for Nole fans when the only recruits you have left to pick from are 3-star amatuers, who have an astronomically low chance of developing into a star in the future and making it into the NFL.

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