Unconquered

Nonsense.

I saw Miami in the last game ever at old Pitt stadium. You had next to no fans there. I saw UM in Raleigh a few years back and there were twice as many people in Miami gear on the sideline (hint: the actual team) as there was in the stands. The other handful of times I've seen the Canes you simply don't have significant numbers there.

The "national" Miami following is a myth.

2 things...

A. Everyone wants to see their team win, what better chance than against Miami?

B. Every crowd looks huge compared to what the canes play in front of at home.

Its a myth based on your two experiences in Miami's last season in the big east and a game against NC state? Its not simply Cane fans, fans of the game in general come out to see the U. Miami does have a national following moreso than a majority of teams and the numbers bear that out. It does help FSU recruit to S. Fla to have Miami on the schedule, it would be foolish to suggest otherwise. Distance will play a factor and recruiting in the area will be negatively affected, if FSU decides to leave at all which I don't believe, I know that they are bleeding funds but it still makes more sense to win where you are.

Keyword: TV

Well like I said I wish y'all luck, but the U will be fine was my original point. Wisconsin and WVU aren't pulling major recruits from Florida last I checked. I can see the premier game argument with the SEC's 6 titles in a row and domination of the NFL draft but the big 12 i don't see.

When we were brought in the ACC we made it relevant. The only reason the ACC has an AQ spot was because of our bad assness. The conference sucks because Bobby stayed too long, Miami has been underwhelming ever since joining, and Clemson has underachieved almost every year as well. And it's not about looking down on the ACC or our misfit rival Miami. It's about making a lot more money and the ACC prioritizing basketball over football. The conference isn't getting any stronger with their additions and others are getting stronger. With the direction the FBS is heading you're going to want to be in a good/AQ conference. Also, you realize how many people college baseball stadiums hold? Dick Howser's capacity is 6700 and MLF's capacity is 5000. Not to mention the game you're talking about is a rivalry game against 2 of the top teams in the country basically every year....it should have a full crowd. And why are you bringing up baseball examples? You averaged 56,207 (71.6% capacity...FSU was 94.5% with 77,842) this past year in attendance and the only reason it was that high was because of the excitement around a new coaching staff and team. With the Shapiro stuff still ongoing and you possibly getting stuck in a weaker conference that could very possibly lose its AQ status soon, I would be worried if I were you. You think it's going to be hard for us to recruit SFL without scheduling yall? LMFAO. I think you fail to realize how hard it's going to be for yall to retain the SFL talent after getting stuck in a football MidMajor conference.

We're so afraid of the mighty Canes right now. The ones that go 500 in the ACC. We don't come down because there's no reason to give money to a program on welfare. It would be 1 of 2 games that Miami would sell out all year, the other being FSU.

When your best argument is "we draw a big away crowd", you don't have much of a leg to stand on.

ETA: I don't know any realistic UF fan that didn't expect UF to get blown out last year by Bama and LSU, given the circumstances. Pretty irrelevant point on your part.

We need to face the facts, if FSU, Clemson leave, so will Virginia Tech (either SEC or Big12). The SEC will also try for North Carolina but probably end up with NC State. Georgia Tech will follow FSU and Clemson, then what is left. The ACC will fall apart and Miami will soon follow. We can not recruit if we are not in a major conference cause only the 4 major conferences will get a title shot!!!!!!!! FSU, WV, and Louisville already steal multiple kids from our back yard every year. Soon all of them will be in the Big12. We need to be right there with them!!!! Soon College football will look something like this:
Big12 - #11 FSU - #12 Clemson - #13 Louisville - #14 Georgia Tech - #15 Notre Dame - #16 Miami ( I hope!!!)
SEC - #14 Virginia Tech - #15 North Carolina
B1G - #13 Rutgers - #14 Boston College - #15 Maryland - #16 Virginia
Pac12 - #13 BYU - #14 Houston - #15 Hawaii - #16 San Diego State
We either get on board or watch the ship sail away!! I'm on board, lets just do the damn thing!!!!

You seem rational and at least understand the implications of what is happening. You guys would definitely need to leave if that in fact does happen. The point being brought up though is that, UM doesnt have that option. UM will not get an invite to one of the big time conferences.

UM does not have the money, fan support, facilities, or administration that focuses on big time football anymore. Shalalas focus is on improving the school itself. UM is operating at major losses and has recently laid off hundreds of employees. Also with the Shapiro scandal hovering, UM is considered toxic (regardless of what you believe of the scandal itself) UM does not provide much in today's football landscape

FSU's staff knows the first thing we'll be negatively recruited with is the idea that we're "heading west" or something. So we'll get all our non-conference games in state or just outside of the state.

Our non-conference every year will probably be something like Bethune Cookman, FIU, Florida.

So we'll have 7 home games a year in a city that won't move, and then we'll have 5 away games. In locations some kids won't care about but that's why we have an awesome staff. They will pitch kids on the fact we'll play in places like Austin, Jerry World in Dallas, Norman, Stillwater, South Bend, Clemson, and Morgantown. These locations will excite kids a great deal.

All while we get 2.5 times as much tv money as Miami. Miami fans can paint this a slightly negative way but it takes real creativity and negativity to pull that off.

What are you talking about Kingpin?

You mean scrubs like future top 15 pick Geno Smith and returning 1,200 yard receiver Stedman Bailey are good?

They're terrible and would never see the field at THE U!

UNC goes to the sec only in some SEC fantasy. not a chance win hell it goes to the SEC.

the sec will settle yet again and take big 12 and big 1o reject nc st. UNC will go to the big 10 if it goes anywhere

I have read several posts from the Fan of the U, and he has always been rational and understands what is taking place. I believe at some point division 1 football will be divided into 2 groups and the top 64 will be in conferences that make more than twice what the other will make, which could be 10 to 20 million a year.. When that happen it will be almost impossible for the remaining schools to compete on a level playing field.