Unconquered

Lamarcus Joyner is functionally 5'10 or 5'11 as a football player. He makes plays with his hands/arms, not the top of his head. His long arms make him taller as a football player. NFL scouts and teams know this.

In the same sense, Clint Trickett is functionally an inch or two shorter than his height because of his long neck (release point is below the neck).

I think all 3 are gone after this year. Werner will leave because of his age and imo is more likely to leave early than Joyner.

Just like we were kidding ourselves by thinking that Jenkins, Reid, and Rhodes would be back next year. Or that Bradham would come back last year. Each kid has to make his own decision, and lately they've been staying far more than leaving.

As for Joyner specifically, I still think he's got the ability to play CB at the next level, and 5'8" isn't as big a detriment at CB as it is at S. Plus he's thick for 5'8" and plays bigger than his size. As I sit here today, I do think he would benefit from getting four years under his belt in college, but that could change after next year.

I could definitely see Joyner as an NFL corner and it may help him wear and tear-wise. I have no doubt he'd still play physical as all hell but he wouldn't end up taking on lead blockers at CB as much as he may at safety. Like SpicNolie said, his arm length makes him taller. He'd be a pitbull CB like Antoine Winfield.