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I'm more excited now

  • Than I was yesterday. Erving isn't there yet but projects spectacularly. Liked a couple other ol and we were missing 4 upperclassmen including Watson. Telson could be special and our entire defense will be special. Corner will be our weakest unit on d and it's a strength. I am pumped. Just wanted to share after not posting all day. Go Noles!

    fsufsu

  • Telvin is what I meant. It's amazing how many negative thoughts I've seen, sad

    fsufsu

  • Like hearing some positive brah! We still have plenty of room for improvement but its the spring so should every team. This D should be somethin special just hope our O can make some plays when needed and Ej can make some plays

    CO Nole

  • EJ flopped a bit but he's not a concern. He was never going to resemble cam newton he is just a good qb who's also very athletic. He really struggles to read defenses. Add back our injured guys and we are better than I thought. Not saying I'm just the only one that knows how but on a message board most don't know how to properly interpret a spring game good or bad. We looked great yesterday all things considered.

    fsufsu

  • No question the d will be great. Manuel's was disappointing but not overly concerning.

    Erving's performance was encouraging. However, the rest of the ol 's collective performance was discouraging.

    I would put it at disappointing except for the pathetic performance of the ol last year. I am not going to assume the ol is good-that assumption was made last year for no good reason.

    Hopefully we will see a better performance in the fall.

    we lost 4 games last year because we were pathetic at running the ball. I know, 186 yds against uva-how many 3rd or 4th and 1's did we miss? The whole season except for uf and nd.

    If the ol does not show significant improvement this fall we won't be able to pull away from even a slightly below average team. That lends itself to having 1-2 head scratching losses yet again.

    We will run the table with this defense if we have an average ol line.

    Playing defense and running the ball travels well.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by TNOLE27 on 4/15/2012 at 10:29 AM

    TNOLE27

  • TNOLE27 said...

    No question the d will be great. Manuel's was disappointing but not overly concerning.

    Erving's performance was encouraging. However, the rest of the ol 's collective performance was discouraging.

    I would put it at disappointing except for the pathetic performance of the ol last year. I am not going to assume the ol is good-that assumption was made last year for no good reason.

    Hopefully we will see a better performance in the fall.

    we lost 4 games last year because we were pathetic at running the ball. I know, 186 yds against uva-how many 3rd or 4th and 1's did we miss? The whole season except for uf and nd.

    If the ol does not show significant improvement this fall we won't be able to pull away from even a slightly below average team. That lends itself to losing 1-2 head scratching losses yet again.

    We will run the table with this defense if we have an average ol line.

    Playing defense and running the ball travels well.

    Oh you actually watched it. I guess you had a little interest after all

    WarDogCG58

  • a little.

    TNOLE27

  • Good post Fsu.... I feel the same way. Yesterday was a glorified practice.... Take it for what it was, we had some young guys stick out on an already talented team

    Nortflnole

  • I'm watching the game again, but this time in slow motion, frame by frame, one click at a time. This let's me look at all 5 of the offensive linemen, and see how they do. It's the same way coaches break down film, etc.

    Some pretty encouraging stuff I'm seeing so far in the beginning of the game.

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    BushidoNole

  • There were multiple instances where a guy like Matias was washing his man out of the play but because EJ had poor pocket presence he just stood in one place and the DL got washed into him. When 2 slide steps would have made Matias look like a stud.

    Manuel was the single concerning thing I saw but what can you do at this point, he is what he is.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    There were multiple instances where a guy like Matias was washing his man out of the play but because EJ had poor pocket presence he just stood in one place and the DL got washed into him. When 2 slide steps would have made Matias look like a stud.

    Manuel was the single concerning thing I saw but what can you do at this point, he is what he is.

    You also got to think jimbo has strict rules for ej about running probably in his head not to move

    Murdock_33

  • TNOLE27 said...

    No question the d will be great. Manuel's was disappointing but not overly concerning.

    Erving's performance was encouraging. However, the rest of the ol 's collective performance was discouraging.

    I would put it at disappointing except for the pathetic performance of the ol last year. I am not going to assume the ol is good-that assumption was made last year for no good reason.

    Hopefully we will see a better performance in the fall.

    we lost 4 games last year because we were pathetic at running the ball. I know, 186 yds against uva-how many 3rd or 4th and 1's did we miss? The whole season except for uf and nd.

    If the ol does not show significant improvement this fall we won't be able to pull away from even a slightly below average team. That lends itself to having 1-2 head scratching losses yet again.

    We will run the table with this defense if we have an average ol line.

    Playing defense and running the ball travels well.


    I guess the debbie downvoters don't think we can run the table with avg ol play. Downvoters, I think you are wrong. Why don't you post your reasoning tommorow after you get off the bus from school.

    TNOLE27

  • TNOLE27 said...

    I guess the debbie downvoters don't think we can run the table with avg ol play. Downvoters, I think you are wrong. Why don't you post your reasoning tommorow after you get off the bus from school.

    You always surprise me. Usually when I see one of your posts I think you are trolling for downvotes and then when you get them you follow up with these surprised/pissed off posts.

    FWIW, I dont downvote.

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 4/15/2012 at 9:03 PM

    fsufsu

  • Our OL play is further along than last year. Last year our patchwork OL was absolutely blown off the ball on pretty much every play. Rushing was abysmal....there is reason to be cautiously optimistic that at the very least we won't have turnstiles this year.

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    healthguyfsu

  • EJ will be fine. He said himself in the post scrimmage interview there were some things he would have done differently if this were a live game. but because it's a glorified practice he forced some things. I thought his overall command of the offense was much better than last year. He completed 28 passes. There is a reason he won MVP of the spring. The coaches are happy with is progression, and I think he finally gets it. Let's not read too much into a Spring Game. Hell National Champs Alabama's starting QB completed only 17 passes and threw 3 picks. Don't see Nick Saban freaking out do you. Why? Because it's a glorified Spring Practice.

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    why_me

  • why_me said...

    EJ will be fine. He said himself in the post scrimmage interview there were some things he would have done differently if this were a live game. but because it's a glorified practice he forced some things. I thought his overall command of the offense was much better than last year. He completed 28 passes. There is a reason he won MVP of the spring. The coaches are happy with is progression, and I think he finally gets it. Let's not read too much into a Spring Game. Hell National Champs Alabama's starting QB completed only 17 passes and threw 3 picks. Don't see Nick Saban freaking out do you. Why? Because it's a glorified Spring Practice.

    Alabama also won that game in spite of him not because of him.

    We'll need EJ alot more than Bama needs McCarron because we actually need to pass the ball whereas Bama can pound the rock for most of most games and all of some games and still win.

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    healthguyfsu

  • Actually McCarron's throwing and decision making was a big part of them winning. BUt that's not the point. the point is this: IN the previous scimmage EJ only had like 6 missed passes. and I believe Jimbo said about 4 of those were drops. All I'm saying is that I'm going to go with Jimbo on this one. Jimbo said he is happy with EJ's progression, and so am I.

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    why_me

  • why_me said...

    Actually McCarron's throwing and decision making was a big part of them winning. BUt that's not the point. the point is this: IN the previous scimmage EJ only had like 6 missed passes. and I believe Jimbo said about 4 of those were drops. All I'm saying is that I'm going to go with Jimbo on this one. Jimbo said he is happy with EJ's progression, and so am I.

    Fair enough. However, switch our running games...do you think McCarron could win that game on his shoulders without Trent Richardson and that OL?

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  • I'm honestly a little concerned that EJ seems to have his mind made up presnap of where he is going with the ball most of the time. The first possesion was a perfect example. He tried hitting O'leary on a post that should have been picked by Brooks (how good are our safeties, btw?). If you go back and look at that play, i believe Benjamin had cleared the entire left side of the field out by running a square in and there was NO ONE within 15 yards of Wilder in the flat. EJ needs to be happy with taking what the d will give him and go through his progressions. IDK if it's a lack of confidence in the time his line could give him, but he doesn't seem like he has that natural feel for the game. Maybe i'm completely wrong on that.

    And i tried doing what Bush did, going frame by frame. I was impressed with Erving, Matias and Jackson both did some good things. Glauser had his moments. I think if this line can stay healthy (assuming that's our starting T's and G's), it could be a better than average line, going on great next year.

    iowanole1

  • Nope not at all healthy.. EJ has work to do. I will be the firs to admit that.. But I'm confident he's on the right path because Jimbo is.

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    why_me

  • fsufsu said...

    There were multiple instances where a guy like Matias was washing his man out of the play but because EJ had poor pocket presence he just stood in one place and the DL got washed into him. When 2 slide steps would have made Matias look like a stud.

    Manuel was the single concerning thing I saw but what can you do at this point, he is what he is.

    fsufsu, EJ did that a lot last year. But that is usually the case with mobile QB's. The make plays out of nothing and they lose yardage because they think they can make plays.

    He just needs to be more effecient this year. Limit turnovers and improve his decision making on the zone read, option plays. He was brutal at the latter last year.

    I only saw a handful of plays of the Spring game and I was really encouraged by Erving at LT. There were times when he engulfed BJenk. Can't wait til next Monday to watch the entire game.

    canolee

  • Anyone not fist pumping about Erving checked their perspective at the door. He was 14 practices into learning LT and went against one America's top 1-3 REs for 70 plays. He did amazing and looked amazing doing it.

    fsufsu

  • fsu, no doubt. LT was the area of greatest concern this offseason and it may turn out being a strength. Sure he is going to have growing pains and brain farts at times, but he is also going to be able to do some things that not many LT's in the country can do.

    I still want to see how much Barron and Lovelady have progressed, but I still think it's Stork at Center.

    And several options at RT and solid depth developing everywhere.

    canolee

  • canolee said...

    fsu, no doubt. LT was the area of greatest concern this offseason and it may turn out being a strength. Sure he is going to have growing pains and brain farts at times, but he is also going to be able to do some things that not many LT's in the country can do.

    I still want to see how much Barron and Lovelady have progressed, but I still think it's Stork at Center.

    And several options at RT and solid depth developing everywhere.

    What about RT. I know you think Cloth right now but after watching the film of the spring game what about Glauser at RT? I really like this Oline:
    LT- Cam
    G- Matias
    C- Stork
    G- Jackson
    RT-Glauser

    That's a grown man line.

    This post was edited by Mass Nole on 4/17/2012 at 6:00 PM

    Mass Nole

  • Mass, I'm actually waiting to see it. I'm going to try tonight at a friends to see if ESPN 3 works there, otherwise I have to wait until Monday and hope ESPNU tv scedule is back on track.

    Off the top of my head you have Glauser, Watson, Cloth, Hart and Orelus.

    Having not seen Glauser and Watson, I've been guesstimating Cloth at RT because I think Hart is a year away, but my logic has been ripped to shreads by the good people of the board. ;)

    canolee