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If Notre Dame to ACC, then Rutgers or UConn?

  • DeepEyez said...

    Notre Dame & Penn State would be a phenomenal coup for sure. All of a sudden, the ACC becomes the most brand-rich conference. With Pitt coming aboard already, it would give those two a chance to reignite old rivalries.

    If not PSU, the ACC should then add Rutgers. I think that the focus of the ACC should be to lockup key states north of Virginia with big state schools with massive followings, enthusiastic culture and deep alumni bases in the DC metropolitan area and Tri-State area. Rutgers fits in perfectly in between Maryland, Syracuse and Boston College. Plus it has better football and basketball facilities than UConn.

    It'd be great if we could exchange Boston College for UConn. I'd also kick Wake Forest out and ask WVU are they having second-thoughts about playing in the B12 while I'm at it....

    Penn State is NEVER coming to the ACC. Notre Dame is maybe a 5% chance, but highly unlikely.

    Rutgers gives the ACC nothing but another mouth to feed.

    55Nole

  • 55Nole said...

    "So if Cuse is good enough why isn't UConn? "

    The honest answer is neither is good enough. Both are filler schools if you bring in a power house with them.

    The ACC added two 'filler schools' when it had the lowest BCS TV contract. Now it is renegotiating to see if it can better it's TV contract under an incompetent Swofford. It is highly unlikely.

    FSU football has always been outspent. What is changing is the difference it has been outspented is about to grow by a HUGE amount. Olympic sports will suffer as well.

    Keep hearing our fan base make comments about other conferences making $15 Million more in TV contracts not being a big deal. That is insanely delusional.

    Sorry, but Syracuse is not a filler school. They were originally targeted when the ACC raided the big least the first time.

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  • 55Nole said...

    Penn State is NEVER coming to the ACC. Notre Dame is maybe a 5% chance, but highly unlikely.

    Rutgers gives the ACC nothing but another mouth to feed.

    Your basing that 5% on what exactly?

    Look, I am not speaking to garner some sort of "Board Cred" and this is certainly not just some sort of random personal opinion, when the BCS board meets in April they will present the options for a playoff, I can guarantee you NONE of those options will have the "ND 9 win season" provision in them. Essentially the new BCS is a playoff, and you will NEED to be in a BCS conference to qualify, that in fact will be written in stone.

    Unless the entire playoff format is shot down (unlikely at this point) then ND will be forced to joina conference, and I will ban myself for life, if that conference is not the ACC.

    I don't sit in a padded room just dreaming this stuff up...lmao.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Pbenuncensored2 on 3/9/2012 at 7:45 AM

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  • 55Nole said...

    The ACC added two 'filler schools' when it had the lowest BCS TV contract. Now it is renegotiating to see if it can better it's TV contract under an incompetent Swofford. It is highly unlikely.

    And the Pac 10 added Colorado and Utah. Couple of super star schools right there. Am I right?

    tricknole

  • tricknole said...

    And the Pac 10 added Colorado and Utah. Couple of super star schools right there. Am I right?

    Who is he referring as filler schools?

    Pitt= strong academics, solid athletic department, good history in both revenue earning sports

    Syracuse=strong academics, solid athletic department, good history in both revenue earning sports

    Pitt and Syracuse each have a Heisman winner and a National Championship in their football history, and Syracuse has a national championship in Mens hoops.

    That does not sound like "filler" to me, oh and both thsoe schools have a long standing relationship with ND.

    (insert Dragnet theme here)

    Pbenuncensored2

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Who is he referring as filler schools?

    Pitt= strong academics, solid athletic department, good history in both revenue earning sports

    Syracuse=strong academics, solid athletic department, good history in both revenue earning sports

    Pitt and Syracuse each have a Heisman winner and a National Championship in their football history, and Syracuse has a national championship in Mens hoops.

    That does not sound like "filler" to me, oh and both thsoe schools have a long standing relationship with ND.

    (insert Dragnet theme here)

    Pben - do you have any thoughts on Penn State? Do you think they might make a move? Joe Pa hinted early last year that he thought they should maybe "look East" or something along those lines.

    Enzo

  • Enzo said...

    Pben - do you have any thoughts on Penn State? Do you think they might make a move? Joe Pa hinted early last year that he thought they should maybe "look East" or something along those lines.

    If the Sandusky thing hadn't happened I would say, it was feasible, but I dont see how you even consdier it, under the circumstances. Not to mention I am not sure how Pitt would view that either, on the surface it would look like they would like it, but they dont want to have to go head to head in recruiting with PSU in the same conf, they cant win that..

    Pbenuncensored2

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Who is he referring as filler schools?

    Pitt= strong academics, solid athletic department, good history in both revenue earning sports

    Syracuse=strong academics, solid athletic department, good history in both revenue earning sports

    Pitt and Syracuse each have a Heisman winner and a National Championship in their football history, and Syracuse has a national championship in Mens hoops.

    That does not sound like "filler" to me, oh and both thsoe schools have a long standing relationship with ND.

    (insert Dragnet theme here)

    Pitt and Syrcuse are lucky to put 20-30K fans in their stadiums and have no TV ratings.

    They will never compete for national titles.

    Most revenue is in football and these schools bring in none for football. Some in basketball, but only enough to just keep them from being a negative.

    NOWHERE near the team the ACC needs to add to get the per team payout anywhere near close to the Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC

    History is nice, but nobody cares anymore. They just aren't on the map.

    55Nole

  • tricknole said...

    And the Pac 10 added Colorado and Utah. Couple of super star schools right there. Am I right?

    I just know their TV contract is going to add about $15 Million more PER TEAM for that conference.

    We can argue all day long, but $15 Million per year per team......that says everything about where the ACC is compared to the Pac 12. ACC can't compete with that. Nobody is paying for ACC teams.

    55Nole

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Your basing that 5% on what exactly?

    Look, I am not speaking to garner some sort of "Board Cred" and this is certainly not just some sort of random personal opinion, when the BCS board meets in April they will present the options for a playoff, I can guarantee you NONE of those options will have the "ND 9 win season" provision in them. Essentially the new BCS is a playoff, and you will NEED to be in a BCS conference to qualify, that in fact will be written in stone.

    Unless the entire playoff format is shot down (unlikely at this point) then ND will be forced to joina conference, and I will ban myself for life, if that conference is not the ACC.

    I don't sit in a padded room just dreaming this stuff up...lmao.

    ND isn't joining the ACC.

    I would take a $5K bet paid to FSU in the other posters name with you that you don't see ND to the ACC in the next 10 years.

    This is just a pipe dream of those hoping the ACC can be salvaged financially.

    This post was edited by 55Nole on 3/9/2012 at 5:34 PM

    55Nole

  • 55Nole said...

    ND isn't joining the ACC.

    I would take a $5K bet in the other posters name with you that you don't see ND to the ACC in the next 10 years.

    This is just a pipe dream of those hoping the ACC can be salvaged financially.

    I volunteer to be the "Other Poster." if ND joins the ACC you pay me. If they don't PBen pays you.

    Don't thank me, I'm just good like that.

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  • 55Nole said...

    Pitt and Syrcuse are lucky to put 20-30K fans in their stadiums and have no TV ratings.

    They will never compete for national titles.

    Most revenue is in football and these schools bring in none for football. Some in basketball, but only enough to just keep them from being a negative.

    NOWHERE near the team the ACC needs to add to get the per team payout anywhere near close to the Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC

    History is nice, but nobody cares anymore. They just aren't on the map.

    Aren't we living on our history?

    We haven't won a BCS game in 13 yrs, and haven't been to one in 7.

    And I would also argue, here in the South where cfb is king, we struggle to get the stadium 2/3's full.

    If you are pushing for the SEC, good luck with that...but like I said, i would bet my left nad, that when ND joins a conf it will be the ACC.

    Pbenuncensored2

  • "Aren't we living on our history?

    We haven't won a BCS game in 13 yrs, and haven't been to one in 7.

    And I would also argue, here in the South where cfb is king, we struggle to get the stadium 2/3's full."

    No disagreement with me here.

    "If you are pushing for the SEC, good luck with that...but like I said, i would bet my left nad, that when ND joins a conf it will be the ACC. "

    No mention of the SEC. I am merely stating the ACC will never be financially viable. That is just reality sadly, and it will make it very tough for a team living on our history to compete for national titles in the future.

    And ND isn't joining the ACC in your lifetime or anytime. No need to bet on nads, let's put money on it and donate to FSU....they are going to need it with the horrible money situation of the ACC and the fact ND isn't joining to save Swofford's bacon.

    This post was edited by 55Nole on 3/9/2012 at 8:03 PM

    55Nole

  • 55Nole said...

    "Aren't we living on our history?

    We haven't won a BCS game in 13 yrs, and haven't been to one in 7.

    And I would also argue, here in the South where cfb is king, we struggle to get the stadium 2/3's full."

    No disagreement with me here.

    "If you are pushing for the SEC, good luck with that...but like I said, i would bet my left nad, that when ND joins a conf it will be the ACC. "

    No mention of the SEC. I am merely stating the ACC will never be financially viable. That is just reality sadly, and it will make it very tough for a team living on our history to compete for national titles in the future.

    And ND isn't joining the ACC in your lifetime or anytime. No need to bet on nads, let's put money on it and donate to FSU....they are going to need it with the horrible money situation of the ACC and the fact ND isn't joining to save Swofford's bacon.

    Ok your on...lets call it within 6-8 mos of the BCS announcign a playoff, if they are not in by then, you win.,,well fsu does.

    Pbenuncensored2

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Ok your on...lets call it within 6-8 mos of the BCS announcign a playoff, if they are not in by then, you win.,,well fsu does.

    OK. Agreed....FSU wins either way...and that is what I want the most.

    55Nole

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    And I would also argue, here in the South where cfb is king, we struggle to get the stadium 2/3's full.

    Are you only talking about the last several years? During our worst seasons in 30 years and during the worst economic downturn in that same period? We sat around 80,000 in bought tickets up until around 2008.

    To say we can't fill 2/3 of our stadium is stupidity. As long as we don't fail to meet expectation we will fill Doak. Pretty simple.

    tricknole

  • Couple of questions:

    1. Pben - 'Cuse and Pitt are already in and should the BCS move to a playoff, if ND is forced to align and ultimately aligns with the ACC, other than the names mentioned (UCONN, Rutgers, Penn State) who do you think is a legitimate option to fill out the ACC as the 16th team?

    2. 55 - Should the BCS move to a playoff and ND is forced to align with a Conference, given your absolute confidence that it will not be the ACC, what Conference do you think ND aligns with, and what makes that conference a better fit than the ACC?

    Northeast Nole

  • Epic 5k Internet bet. It's on. There can be only one!

    Jadaway

  • PBen, when does the BCS deal come down? Will it happen this year?

    Jadaway

  • "55 - Should the BCS move to a playoff and ND is forced to align with a Conference, given your absolute confidence that it will not be the ACC, what Conference do you think ND aligns with, and what makes that conference a better fit than the ACC?"

    I don't believe ND will ever be forced to join a conference. Even in the off chance that were to happen, there are 2 MUCH MUCH wealthier conferences waiting to fight just as hard for ND. One of those two, the big 10, has better academic benefits, due to the CIC consortium, and the faculty will push for that.

    Can it happen? Yes. Are the odds very VERY small. Yes, but FSU fans have grabbed hold of this winning lottery ticket so hard because it is the only thing that makes staying in the ACC worth while due to it's horrible financial package.

    Why is that a problem? Because FSU fans have convinced themselves that this strategy of winning the lottery is so likely, that FSU shouldn't even CONSIDER moving to another conference......don't even SPEAK to another. Really bad business mindset, but from what I read on the internet, it is the mindset of our fan base and most importantly of all, it is the mindset of our admin. Basically it refuses to even speak to another conference which is BEYOND idiotic.

    Imagine that, "hey Dr Barron/Col Spetman, X conference is calling....they aren't making promises yet, but want to discuss possible options.............No, tell them no thanks, we are happy in the ACC making 50% of our competitors and there is a tiny chance Notre Dame joins and fixes the finances of the conference"......?????????????

    That is just not bright, but from what I have been told, basically what happened, FSU won't even talk to another conference. You think when some SEC school comes calling Jimbo and offers him $5 Million a year and double the money for his assistance he is staying at FSU? Or when the next coach who does well at FSU has the same thing they are staying?

    I have no loyalty or love for any conference......I just want FSU to have enough money to be in the same universe of our competitors.

    Will ND to the ACC give that? Maybe, sure. But IF that is what FSU and the ACC are betting on......they might as well just take their annual revenue every year, go to Vegas and bet it all. Not really sound business strategy.

    FSU is NOT playing this smart....not at all. Swofford controlling the future of FSU football is like having Jeff Bowden running the Patriots offense. Just is silly.

    55Nole

  • A playoff will come

    Conference realignent will happen again

    My only concern is if ND to ACC great but if not out leadership better have a plan to get out

    delawarenole

  • 55Nole said...

    "So if Cuse is good enough why isn't UConn? "

    The honest answer is neither is good enough. Both are filler schools if you bring in a power house with them.

    The ACC added two 'filler schools' when it had the lowest BCS TV contract. Now it is renegotiating to see if it can better it's TV contract under an incompetent Swofford. It is highly unlikely.

    FSU football has always been outspent. What is changing is the difference it has been outspented is about to grow by a HUGE amount. Olympic sports will suffer as well.

    Keep hearing our fan base make comments about other conferences making $15 Million more in TV contracts not being a big deal. That is insanely delusional.

    Come on down to Big 12 country y'all, we'll treat the noles right. biggrin

    Hook 'em

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  • Jadaway said...

    Epic 5k Internet bet. It's on. There can be only one!

    Who said anything about five thousand dollars? If they did, I don't see it. I think they need to agree on a number before this turns into another RMS situation.

    Speaking of RMS - 247 needs to make an emoticon holding up a sign that reads, "Pay your bet."

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  • beanoleKJ said...

    Speaking of RMS - 247 needs to make an emoticon holding up a sign that reads, "Pay your bet."

    This

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