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  • Pben-uncensored said...

    10 years from now, football could be going the way of boxing, this NFL concussion lawsuit thin is very serious, and could alter football as we know it.

    That is a very big if. Why not get the money while you can? Deal with that bridge when you get to it.

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  • Pben-uncensored said...

    10 years from now, football could be going the way of boxing, this NFL concussion lawsuit thin is very serious, and could alter football as we know it.

    Certainly a possible outcome, and I guess that would be one way to do your strategic planning.

    But considering that the sport (on all levels combined) has a total economic impact that's well into the hundreds of billions of dollars per year, I wouldn't bet on football going away.

    So then the question comes back to: Do you want FSU to be running $10m-$15m behind their SEC rivals in tv revenue every year, with that gap only getting bigger once the new SEC tv deal kicks in ?

    I don't have an emotional attachment either way, but I think it's fascinating from a business point of view.

    And as a college football fan, I'd love to see games like FSU-UT, FSU-OU, FSU-OSU and FSU-WVU on a regular basis.

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  • All these pro-acc folks remind me of the status quo forcing romney down our throats and saying ron paul has no chance, when he clearly does.

    Lets blow this popsicle stand! Big 12 or bust!!

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  • Yawn...so when do we leave?

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  • rms02d said...

    All the "Big 12" people remind me of the jilted whore lover who says "its not me, its you".

    FSU was added to the ACC to be the Bell Cow, and we have underperformed on a embarrassingly magnificent scale, and now we act like we are too good to be in the ACC, yet we can't even win the ACC championship, or even our side of the conference.

    FSU's irrelevance, and Jimbos habit of losing 2 games a year to completely inferior talent, makes it difficult for the ACC to negotiate the big-money contract that FSU fans presuppose is an automatic guarantee.

    FSUs under-performance is one of the primary reasons the ACC is considered a terrible football conference. Playing OU or Texas every year doesn't magically make FSU a better football team. Consistently beating inferior teams would sell out Doak, just as much as a playing Texas and Baylor would .

    Anyone that thinks Vandy and Ole Miss will out recruit an annual BCS contender and ACC champion, because they get more money each season, is a monkey-humping idiot. FSU doesn't need an extra $3 million a year to sign a top 5 recruting class. Like ND, our history is enough to make us relevant nationally.

    The conference dynamic is constantly changing, the SEC signed a 10 year agreement last year, and everyone assumed that it was the most amazing deal ever, but obviously that agreement is now open for renegotiation as more money is constantly on the table. The current ACC contract could easily be adjusted if FSU or UM or VT started winning National Championships. Instead of complaining about crappy teams like GT, UVA, VT, Clemson, NCST, WF, etc. Maybe we could start winning against these teams before we cast stones.

    The last time we played Syracuse we almost lost, so who are we to say they don't belong in the ACC?

    Some of you guys are such blind fag homers.

    Such anger and hostility. You might want to get help for that. Again the inferior talent argument is flawed (our OL hasnt been elite) and its just silly to be judging Jimbo so harshly only 2 years in. I guess we should just toss our arms up and say "oh well we sucked the last ten years under Bowden so we will never be good again and should just settle for the crappy ACC." Lmao what a joke.

    Cant wait to be in the Big 12!!

    This post was edited by NOLES_WIN on 5/13/2012 at 10:52 PM

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  • rms02d said...

    All the "Big 12" people remind me of the jilted whore lover who says "its not me, its you".

    FSU was added to the ACC to be the Bell Cow, and we have underperformed on a embarrassingly magnificent scale, and now we act like we are too good to be in the ACC, yet we can't even win the ACC championship, or even our side of the conference.

    FSU's irrelevance, and Jimbos habit of losing 2 games a year to completely inferior talent, makes it difficult for the ACC to negotiate the big-money contract that FSU fans presuppose is an automatic guarantee.

    FSUs under-performance is one of the primary reasons the ACC is considered a terrible football conference. Playing OU or Texas every year doesn't magically make FSU a better football team. Consistently beating inferior teams would sell out Doak, just as much as a playing Texas and Baylor would .

    Anyone that thinks Vandy and Ole Miss will out recruit an annual BCS contender and ACC champion, because they get more money each season, is a monkey-humping idiot. FSU doesn't need an extra $3 million a year to sign a top 5 recruting class. Like ND, our history is enough to make us relevant nationally.

    The conference dynamic is constantly changing, the SEC signed a 10 year agreement last year, and everyone assumed that it was the most amazing deal ever, but obviously that agreement is now open for renegotiation as more money is constantly on the table. The current ACC contract could easily be adjusted if FSU or UM or VT started winning National Championships. Instead of complaining about crappy teams like GT, UVA, VT, Clemson, NCST, WF, etc. Maybe we could start winning against these teams before we cast stones.

    The last time we played Syracuse we almost lost, so who are we to say they don't belong in the ACC?

    Some of you guys are such blind fag homers.

    Wow. You almost had me convinced until your last articulate sentence. Except for the fact that we are STILL the bell cow for the ACC, even when we had been mired in mediocrity. What does that say about the conference? The ACC sucked when we dominated it. It hasn't gotten all that much better. Nobody is trying to say that FSU has exceeded expectations and we should be rewarded like kings. FSU is partly to blame, but then so would VT, Clemson, UNC and especially Miami. And let's not bring up the fact that we are continually hamstrung by the ACC. ACC officiating and scheduling haven't done us too many favors. Good conferences recognize their best product and don't screw it over on an annual basis. And to top it off, this stuff helps justify a move, but its not even close to the real issue at hand, which would be money.

    Our history may make us relevant, but having a dilapidated stadium because we cant afford appropriate upgrades or maintenance, not to mention a Civic Center that desperately needs a facelift, may affect recruiting. New dorms? They're not free. IPF? Costs money. And lets not mention how we actually have to pay coaches. Those guys are expensive. And they recruit. And the expensive ones tend to recruit well. What happens when we cant afford to pay a coach like LSU or Bama or UF? We can barely do that now (well, we can't really now but lets roll with it for hypothetical purposes.) Well, what happens when Vandy and Ole Miss can afford to double our coaches salary? I dunno, but it might affect recruiting just a tad.

    So, yeah, I guess I'm a blind monkey humping homosexual homer because I think moving to a conference that values football, and is actually valued by network television, may be worthy of consideration.

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  • Some of you guys are such blind fag homers.

    Classy

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  • Thank you. Why are people so angry that something so good could be happening for us? Head scratcher.

    NOLES_WIN

  • NOLES_WIN said...

    Thank you. Why are people so angry that something so good could be happening for us? Head scratcher.

    Not angry, but I get really tired of hearing some of the ridiculous reasoniing people put on here.

    -The ACC is weak (well so are we overall)

    -FSU deserves better (really? why?)

    -We are the ratings monster, look at our last few bowl games (a game played at 5pm during christmas break is bound to get good ratings, especially if it has recognized teams, like Wisconsin, Notre Dame)

    -This will fix all our budget woes (lets wait and see on that)

    -FSU needs to keep up (did we just not upgrade all our facilities?)

    -the fanbase demands it (the fanbase, you mean the 50k or so odd that were showing up for games less than 2 seasons ago?)

    If we make it to a conference that ups our TV contract and "possibly" the competition, ok great, but enough with this delirious nonsense, some of you need to get out more.

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  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Not angry, but I get really tired of hearing some of the ridiculous reasoniing people put on here.

    -The ACC is weak (well so are we overall)

    -FSU deserves better (really? why?)

    -We are the ratings monster, look at our last few bowl games (a game played at 5pm during christmas break is bound to get good ratings, especially if it has recognized teams, like Wisconsin, Notre Dame)

    -This will fix all our budget woes (lets wait and see on that)

    -FSU needs to keep up (did we just not upgrade all our facilities?)

    -the fanbase demands it (the fanbase, you mean the 50k or so odd that were showing up for games less than 2 seasons ago?)

    If we make it to a conference that ups our TV contract and "possibly" the competition, ok great, but enough with this delirious nonsense, some of you need to get out more.

    All people are doing is talking about moving so get out of here with the need to get out more comment. You have been one of the more vocal ones about staying and that's cool bc that is your opinion. What are your reasons to stay as oppossed to go? Should fsu stay in status quo and keep losing money? Even though fsu has been mediocre they still bring the ratings. Don't give me the excuse of what day and the opponent. What's the one common denominator, fsu. Just like your reasoning for bringing up pending lawsuits against the nfl. That could take years to be settled. That has no bearing on whether fsu should move or not. Is the big 12 the answer, no idea. Is the acc the answer, not in my opinion. Praying for nd to save us isn't a strategy.

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  • bomftdrum said...

    All people are doing is talking about moving so get out of here with the need to get out more comment. You have been one of the more vocal ones about staying and that's cool bc that is your opinion. What are your reasons to stay as oppossed to go? Should fsu stay in status quo and keep losing money? Even though fsu has been mediocre they still bring the ratings. Don't give me the excuse of what day and the opponent. What's the one common denominator, fsu. Just like your reasoning for bringing up pending lawsuits against the nfl. That could take years to be settled. That has no bearing on whether fsu should move or not. Is the big 12 the answer, no idea. Is the acc the answer, not in my opinion. Praying for nd to save us isn't a strategy.

    I was for staying because it appeared at first the B12 thing was some drummed up nonsense, now it seems to good to be true.

    I am puzzled as to why the acc did what they did, but to be honest even with FSU, thats about as good a deal as the acc was going to get.

    I need to see actual numbers (not some poster estimates) on the B12, though after Texas and OU nobody there excites me as far as sports competition goes, and how often will we play OU and Texas?

    I also have not seen any details of logistics, who we would play who exactly would be coming from the acc if anyone else, its all heresay right now. People are basing their opinion on rumors not facts.

    Need to slow down.

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  • Pben-uncensored said...

    I was for staying because it appeared at first the B12 thing was some drummed up nonsense, now it seems to good to be true.

    I am puzzled as to why the acc did what they did, but to be honest even with FSU, thats about as good a deal as the acc was going to get.

    I need to see actual numbers (not some poster estimates) on the B12, though after Texas and OU nobody there excites me as far as sports competition goes, and how often will we play OU and Texas?

    I also have not seen any details of logistics, who we would play who exactly would be coming from the acc if anyone else, its all heresay right now. People are basing their opinion on rumors not facts.

    Need to slow down.

    I agree things are moving quick, but the deal the acc signed was a joke. I'm not talking just about fsu, but all the schools. Let's talk just base numbers per year, 20 mil a year for first and second tier rights, compared to 15(after acc gets their cut). Travel expenses will increase, but not more than the difference, IMO. Personally, I think the sec is the best choice for money and geographical sense. I just don't think we will get that invite.

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  • bomftdrum said...

    I agree things are moving quick, but the deal the acc signed was a joke. I'm not talking just about fsu, but all the schools. Let's talk just base numbers per year, 20 mil a year for first and second tier rights, compared to 15(after acc gets their cut). Travel expenses will increase, but not more than the difference, IMO. Personally, I think the sec is the best choice for money and geographical sense. I just don't think we will get that invite.

    If that is indeed the case, then why did the member schools sign off on it? Swofford gets his marching orders from the conference schools, not the other way around.

    If and that is a big "If" the B12 deal is so much better, and we have a unbelievable chance to get cut in, then obviously we need to look at it, but right now it is still nothing more than posturing, hearsay and internet jibberjabber. (Yes i sued jibberjabber)

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  • rms02d said...

    All the "Big 12" people remind me of the jilted whore lover who says "its not me, its you".

    FSU was added to the ACC to be the Bell Cow, and we have underperformed on a embarrassingly magnificent scale, and now we act like we are too good to be in the ACC, yet we can't even win the ACC championship, or even our side of the conference.

    FSU's irrelevance, and Jimbos habit of losing 2 games a year to completely inferior talent, makes it difficult for the ACC to negotiate the big-money contract that FSU fans presuppose is an automatic guarantee.

    FSUs under-performance is one of the primary reasons the ACC is considered a terrible football conference. Playing OU or Texas every year doesn't magically make FSU a better football team. Consistently beating inferior teams would sell out Doak, just as much as a playing Texas and Baylor would .

    Anyone that thinks Vandy and Ole Miss will out recruit an annual BCS contender and ACC champion, because they get more money each season, is a monkey-humping idiot. FSU doesn't need an extra $3 million a year to sign a top 5 recruting class. Like ND, our history is enough to make us relevant nationally.

    The conference dynamic is constantly changing, the SEC signed a 10 year agreement last year, and everyone assumed that it was the most amazing deal ever, but obviously that agreement is now open for renegotiation as more money is constantly on the table. The current ACC contract could easily be adjusted if FSU or UM or VT started winning National Championships. Instead of complaining about crappy teams like GT, UVA, VT, Clemson, NCST, WF, etc. Maybe we could start winning against these teams before we cast stones.

    The last time we played Syracuse we almost lost, so who are we to say they don't belong in the ACC?

    Some of you guys are such blind fag homers.

    Every time I hear this argument it angers me. Yes FSU has underperformed these last 10 years.......guess what all schools go through down times especially when proceeded by long periods of dominance. The schools in the SEC and Big 12 do as well. The glaring difference is that when one school in these conferences is going through their downswing others are stepping up to make up the difference. In the ACC we were sold on the promise that the rest of the ACC would invest the money to improve their football.....most didn't. This resulted in FSU being the main provider of football money and is what has led to the mess we are currently in. If the ACC had actually done what it promised then there would have been other ACC teams stepping up to help shoulder the responsibility for keeping the ACC relevant in football.

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  • mtreber1 said...

    Every time I hear this argument it angers me. Yes FSU has underperformed these last 10 years.......guess what all schools go through down times especially when proceeded by long periods of dominance. The schools in the SEC and Big 12 do as well. The glaring difference is that when one school in these conferences is going through their downswing others are stepping up to make up the difference. In the ACC we were sold on the promise that the rest of the ACC would invest the money to improve their football.....most didn't. This resulted in FSU being the main provider of football money and is what has led to the mess we are currently in. If the ACC had actually done what it promised then there would have been other ACC teams stepping up to help shoulder the responsibility for keeping the ACC relevant in football.

    Actually:

    UVA-major improvements tot eh stadium and new all football building, with weightroom

    UNC-upgrades to stadium, and new football facility

    NCSU-MASSIVE stadium upgrades, new football facility

    Wake Forest-huge stadium upgrade

    Duke-New football facility

    Clemson-stadium upgrades, new facility

    I don't know on GT, BC UMD, Miami

    VT has a planned expansion

    On 3rd tier rights:

    In the Big 12, “third tier rights” consist of all those select women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports games as well as one select football game per season (the least desirable one) and a few select men’s basketball games (also, the least desirable ones). ESPN owns the Big 12 first-tier rights while Fox has its second-tier and the individual schools, the third.

    I also present you the following link, courtesy of one Corey Dowlar (wtf does he know anyway?) read all that, then make your B12 is a better move than the ACC argument.

    This post was edited by Pbenuncensored2 on 5/14/2012 at 10:29 AM

    “Third-Tier Rights” Defined & Perspective on Their Value | College Football News, Opinion and Analysis | Chuck Oliver.Net

    What each conference provides to its member institutions as “third-tier rights” varies greatly from conference to conference and here is where much of the confusion rests.

    dev.chuckoliver.net

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  • Pben-uncensored said...

    If that is indeed the case, then why did the member schools sign off on it? Swofford gets his marching orders from the conference schools, not the other way around.

    If and that is a big "If" the B12 deal is so much better, and we have a unbelievable chance to get cut in, then obviously we need to look at it, but right now it is still nothing more than posturing, hearsay and internet jibberjabber. (Yes i sued jibberjabber)

    My question would be, does it take unaminous vote to sign off or majority. I'm saying do what is best for fsu. If the sec signs this big new deal and we are making 10 mil less a year then we won't be able to keep up. Eventually the numbers will take their toll.

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  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Not angry, but I get really tired of hearing some of the ridiculous reasoniing people put on here.

    -The ACC is weak (well so are we overall)

    -FSU deserves better (really? why?)

    -We are the ratings monster, look at our last few bowl games (a game played at 5pm during christmas break is bound to get good ratings, especially if it has recognized teams, like Wisconsin, Notre Dame)

    -This will fix all our budget woes (lets wait and see on that)

    -FSU needs to keep up (did we just not upgrade all our facilities?)

    -the fanbase demands it (the fanbase, you mean the 50k or so odd that were showing up for games less than 2 seasons ago?)

    If we make it to a conference that ups our TV contract and "possibly" the competition, ok great, but enough with this delirious nonsense, some of you need to get out more.

    I am not sure that any college football team "deserves" the kind of money they are getting, but we deserve as much as anyone else. We are a name brand in college football. Match us up against any premier program and it would be talked about as the game of the week. The fact that we have not been very good recently does not change. Look at what Notre Dame still commands.

    nolesontop

  • Pben-uncensored said...

    Actually:

    UVA-major improvements tot eh stadium and new all football building, with weightroom

    UNC-upgrades to stadium, and new football facility

    NCSU-MASSIVE stadium upgrades, new football facility

    Wake Forest-huge stadium upgrade

    Duke-New football facility

    Clemson-stadium upgrades, new facility

    I don't know on GT, BC UMD, Miami

    VT has a planned expansion

    On 3rd tier rights:

    In the Big 12, “third tier rights” consist of all those select women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports games as well as one select football game per season (the least desirable one) and a few select men’s basketball games (also, the least desirable ones). ESPN owns the Big 12 first-tier rights while Fox has its second-tier and the individual schools, the third.

    I also present you the following link, courtesy of one Corey Dowlar (wtf does he know anyway?) read all that, then make your B12 is a better move than the ACC argument.

    What did these programs do to invest in football 10 years ago? Schools like UNC had the chance but didnt. Its a little to late for the ACC. By bringing in Pittsburg and Syracuse it showed its true colors its a basketball conference. Unfortunetly for the ACC football pays the bills.

    KtownNole

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