Unconquered

Truth.

This is exactly what I thought. The ACC knows that its top football teams are looking to leave and did what it had to to get the best deal it could from ESPN. If FSU, Clemson, Miami, GT, and VT leave who else would really care about tier 3 rights in football?

Many speak about Fsu going into the Big12 only to be the little brother to Ok and Texas, but why would it be different if Notre Dame joined the ACC? NC and Duke are already catered to. Notre Dame, being perceived to be the saviour of the conference, would come wielding a very big stick. So, FSU would fall farther down the pecking order. Really just wanting to understand the fascination with this line of thinking. The ACC's focus will always be NCAAB in my opinion.

Not if ND comes, and that stick is not very big to begin with in a conference that does not value football.

Iron sharperns Iron my friends. Competition breads a better team and a better on the field product. That is in part why the SEC has become so strong. Almost every week is a tough game, even the lighter ones such as an Ole Miss and Miss State. Just ask UF .

You ever see the movie 16 Candles?

The reason I ask is being the big dog in ACC football is basically the same as being king of the dipshits (quite from the movie)

The tier 3 games would be the first two games. Who is going to buy those? How much are those games worth? We have everything else in bb, baseball, etc to sell now. The 5m extra being thrown around is not correct. The additional money would come from those two games. I'm guessing but 500k maybe.

The big 12 may get 4m more w FSU and Clemson. That makes it 24m p yr. That makes it a 7m for tv and 500k for 3 tier = 7.5 m per year more than we get now. Throw in BCS game at approx 12m split to each conf. That another 500k. Then the ccg for another 500k. That makes a cool 8.5m yr more than the. Ur rent acc deal.

Ok, let's say travel is 3m more to bring the team, support, and band (and hell yes you have to bring the band!) Now we are left with 5.5m per year additional to cover the 20m exit fee. Yes, the big 12 gave wvu a LOAN for half their fee. Not a welcoming gift.

So, for the hassle FSU breaks even with acc deal for 1st 4 years and for the next 6 we make 27.5 million more than acc deal. An avg of 2.75m over ten years.

How does that budget situation get significantly better again. I can't see for the life of me how bushido can say FSU would be getting 30m per year.

At an in raise of 0.00 for the first 4 yeArs and an avg of 2.75 m over the 10 years I'm taking a shit on the deal. The acc has moves that could cover the measly. Increase in the next round of exPansion.

And the FSU network idea is a pipe dream. The LHN is a failure. Not to Texas tho because they r getting paid. espn is eating that turd. I'm so sure they are just dying to do that again with a smaller brand.

Argue my numbers please. Yes, a few of the numbers are guesses and others from recent transactions. You may be able to convince me that I'm off but I'm sure it's not a significant amt.

I will present these numbers fully thought out to give you guys a true impact of getting a 25m tv contract from big12. Right now it's crap. Don't get enamoured with big top end numbers. It's the net gain that tells the real story.

Where do you come up with this BS?? Every single meeting in 2010 was in College Station, Texas. Not Austin. Not Norman.

The only team that got extended an offer in 2010 is Texas A&M and it was unconditional.

How can one possibly get more wrong than you???????????

I have been saying this for 3 days, but nobody listens.

Typical spectacular aggy delusions of grandeur. UT made it known they wanted no part of the SEC and its pay for play ethics and partial qualifiers that ATM sees as their path to glory. OU wants to stay with UT and can go nowhere without OSU. No way SEC wants two teams in the Oklahoma TV market. It makes no sense to concentrate all the big name schools in one conference. ATM is not a big name school, it is a third tier TV school that thinks it is a first tier football school after countless decades of mediocrity that is reflected in poor attendance and a bankrupt athletic department. The only reason the SEC wanted ATM was another easy win and the false illusion of a foothold in the Texas recruiting/TV markets and they will soon find that aggy brings nothing to the table but its weird cult antics.

Replacing aggy with FSU as a rival would be the biggest upgrade in modern sports history!! LOL

I hate to point out the obvious, but

- The current ACC travel footprint is not much different than the Big 12 would be with the move of 4 ACC football schools. Therefore your $3 million travel assumption is bogus.

- Adding 4 ACC teams with escalators would mean a minimum additional $8 - $10 million to FSU AT THE MARGIN which is huge in terms of being able to compete with its SEC recruiting and competitive rivals.

- The ACC has already surrendered to the reality that it will never be a Big 4 power conference in football. Staying in the ACC risks being left out of the 4 16 team conferences that are coming in football and a realistic path to the MNC in the new BCS.

- The ACC will never be a big time conference that can compete with the SEC on money or recruits. Joining the Big 12 solves that issue by creating a conference that can compete with the SEC on every level and allow FSU to do the same. The FSU brand is worth much more in a major football conference than a basketball conference.

- The Big 12 is an easier path to the MNC than the SEC for the foreseeable future. The Big 12 would be very excited about adding FSU and the SEC would only take FSU as a defensive move.

- A move from the ACC to the Big 12 would likely have a VERY positive impact on ticket sales and season tickets for FSU games that you are leaving out of your mathematics.

- You have not offered a single credible reason to stay in the ACC that would offset all the positives of FSU moving to a major football conference from a dying football conference.

With this new v deal, the acc said it does bot care about big time football. They protected tobacco road bball. How else can you explain the tier 3 rights for bball and not football. This travel expense you guys bring up is off. No way it will cost and extra 3 mil.