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Not necessarily, provided ND comes on board (there is more and more smoke regarding that every day it seems) and you can snag a PSU then the ACC would be an excellent fb conference. We'll just have to see, hate that the SEC thing will never happen though.

PSU will NEVER leave the B1G. Never.

They receive ungodly amounts of money for research for being a member - academic money. Never mind the BTN will bring in the most TV money.

I think Rutgers is a very realistic option.

I also want to thank you guys, for having good responses and keeping this discussion very civil. We can agree to disagree on certain topics, nothing wrong with that.

Rutgers is also unlikely to join.

The B1G loves to target AAU members. It was thought it was a requirement to be an AAU member to even be allowed to join. However, I don't believe Nebraska is.

Regardless, Rutgers will be on the B1G short list for expansion.

I don't think Rutgers picks us over them.

I am not under the dillusion that life will be perfect in the Big 12 if we were to make such a move. However I think the game has changed. Money is more important than ever and college football is becoming more and more about the have and the have nots. The increase the ACC just got is essentially meaningless because everyong else is about to increase too so in a sense we're nit even keeping up with the Jones's. I don't think FSU made the right move back in 1990 when they joined the ACC. I know many will disagree with that and there certainly validity to those arguments but the bottom line is the factors that made the ACC an attractive choice then have all changed. We have to make a business decision that is in FSU's best interests. We are in real danger of becoming a second class citizen in college football and once that happens I don't know that we can come back. I just don't think Notre Dame is coming to the rescue and frankly If we're betting our future on that even if it is a real possibility then everyone associated with the leadership of this program should be terminated. My loyalty lies with Florida State, nit the ACC. Nobody has ever shown me anything tangible this conference has done for us. All I hear about is academic prestige and grant money. I say that's a bunch of bullshit. The only athletic conference that conveys any academic benefit for membership is the B1G because of the consortium. Also the third tier deal is too good to pass up. FSU havingnts own channel and the Gates not being allowed to is HUGE!!!! I think it's time to get organized. It's time to start making our heard in the president's office. We have been patient. We have given this conference every chance and been given nothing but excuses. I'm tired of excuses, and I'm tired of being ignored by the ACC. WE DESERVE BETTER.

You're not seeing the big picture here. You're just looking at it from a fan perspective, and that you won't be able to attend road games like you used to.

I don't care if our fans or band can't make the road games. Having a couple hundred Florida State fans in the stands for an away game is not going to impact the outcome of the game. That's all I care about -- wins and losses, not who can or can not attend a road game.

Secondly, it's Florida State AND Clemson going to the Big12. Not just Florida State. And that's for the 2013 season. Then in 2014 the Big 12 will add two more teams, two of them coming from Miami, Georgia Tech, Louisville, and two other schools that I can't remember. So you will still keep your FSU/Miami rivalry in tact. That way Miami will remain a conference opponent, allowing the FSU/UF rivalry to continue as a non-conf opponent at the end of the year.

The BCS is going to use an RPI style system to put teams in the playoff (whether they go with Conf. Champs only or not is TBD). Adding Pitt and 'Cuse to the ACC will only drag the ACC's RPI further away from the playoff, and without BCS AQ status anymore, the prospects of a decent non-playoff BCS bowl are becoming extremely slim for any ACC program. Given how the ACC and Big East have fared in recent years within the RPI rankings, it's not very likely teams from these conferences would stand much chance for inclusion in a playoff format. As a result, the football powers in these conferences are looking for a safe haven, hence jumping to a conference that will have a seat at the playoff table.

The gap in conference revenues between the Big 12 and the ACC, coupled with the new BCS plan, and the monetary problems of the FSU program make this move a financial necessity. Florida State would be receiving anywhere between 15-20 million more per year by being in the Big-12, more than likely closer to 30 million, but I'm not a number cruncher, and only going by what Big 12 people are saying on their sites.

If you have trouble understanding why Clemson and FSU would consider bolting the ACC remember tt’s all about money in modern college football.

Money to compete with their in-state and neighboring SEC rivals. Money to stay competitive in facilities and coaches salaries, and the money that comes from a Big 12 championship game backed by Jerry Jones.

There’s also this little thing about wanting to win a national championship.

If you would try and GPS the route the road to the national championship of college football you would see it runs through the SEC, Big 12, and the Pac 12 but doesn’t seem to have any onramps from tobacco road.

I posted this before, but this was posted on the Baylor site, that has a great thread full of valuable information on this. It breaks it down easier.

Here's the pitch.
B12: So how would you like to join the Big 12?
FSU: Mehh. Six moths ago you were trying to join us. We'll see how this plays out.
B12: Fair enough. We'd like to show you some stuff to think about. First, here is a chart at what the conferences made from the BCS over the last 10 years:
SEC - $260 million. Big 12 - $250 million Big 10 - $245 million Pac 12 - $240 million ACC - $210 million Big East - $200 million
Now have you reviewed the new BCS rules that will go in effect in the next contract?
FSU: No.
B12: Well you should. If you applied those rules to the last 10 years of football this chart shows what the breakdown of how the BCS Revenue would have been divided up:
SEC - $400 million Big 12 - $375 million Pac 12 - $360 million Big 10 - $342 million ACC - $127 million Big East - $60 million
FSU - (stunned silence)
B12 - you see. You got three problems. First, when confronted last year with the reality of realignment, the ACC, your conference made a basketball decision. It will continue to do that. If you want to be in a basketball league you're in the right place because they will continue to make basketball decisions. Second, you are in a race you can't win. You cannot get outspent by Florida by a 4:1 margin and stay competitive. It is simply not possible. And that is where this is going. Third, your final problem is that other schools in your conference get this and they liked our charts.

A lot of this doesn't make any sense.

First paragraph is nothing but excuses. The economy is bad, the ACC doesnt renegotiate contracts for the ACC...OK, great. So what does that have to do with the extra 15 million dollars per year estimated in the B12?

Paragraph 2, travel expenses. Our travel expenses will increase, but not nearly as much as you make it out to be. Yes some of those schools are a distance, but if Clemson + 2 other close schools come then we have a few schools near us...and let's not forget the ACC includes trips to Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, ext ext.

Third paragraph is the biggest WTF I've ever read. Why is FSU entitled to a better deal? What are you even talking about? If a better deal is available what does that have to do with anything?

4th paragraph, what is the competitive adv of the b12? No sense here. We are going to a 4 team playoff, the ACC SOS is super weak, the B12 adds loads of money to help pay for coaches and renovations, we would be a part of one of the 4 big time conferences, these have all been beaten to death.

All of the points you make in this post have been addressed already and explained in other posts. Yes, travel expenses increase, but I have a feeling going from 15-17 mil a year to 32-35 mil a year is worth it.

We bring a team or 2 from the ACC so there are some closer away games

I mean, I'm no contract guru but I don't see any points you are making at all in your post save 1-2 and both have already been addressed.