Unconquered

UVA is solid along both lines of scrimmage when matched up with mediocre teams or teams that aren't big. That is who they are now, and it's why they look good one week and bad another week. They don't do anything intriguing on either side of the ball. My opinion is that London realized go into the FSU game as long as they didn't allow big plays,that our offense would kill itself. They weren't going to let their offense lose the game. Our defense finally folded after being on the field again and again.

I think Jimbo grew up as a coach a good bit in 2011. I agree that FSU is no place for on the job training, but when you put your chips in the middle with a proven coach with zero HC experience, you are saying you are willing to let him gain that experience as your head coach.

Where else is he going to get it?

No excuse for the Wake and UVA lossess.

Jimbo knows that.

At Wake the defense let us down. Vs UVA, it was the offense.

We lost 6-8 OL for significant time (a few for the year), we lost our starting QB for part of 3 games, and lost our starting TB for the year, and lost our senior WR (B. Reed) and our freshman phenom (Greene) for multiple games.

There's not an excuse coming now, just stating some facts.

In my opinion, if Bama or LSU had suffered those losses on offense, they don't play in New Orleans.

Even with all of those key losses, we lost 4 games by a total of 18 points.

In 1999, we didn't lose a single guy on the 2 deep to an injury for multiple games.

If our injuries fall in between 1999 (very light) and 2011 (very heavy) we're going to Charlotte............

What does re-evaluate mean? Fire? Put on notice that anything short of a BCS bowl in 2013 and he is fired?

How many coaches did Bama have to go through before they got Saban?

Where would you look right now to replace Fisher with a proven head coach?

I would take Gary Patterson or Chris Petersen over Jimbo Fisher, right now.

I list them because those two are the two most likely up and coming coaches, similar to Urban Meyer at Utah, Nick Saban at Michigan State, etc.

They aren't that young. Patterson is 51 and shows no sign of leaving (Big 12 now). Chris Peterson is 47 and seems to be a guy that will remain at Boise for his career. They have raised his salary and are in the process of improving facilities.

I wouldn't disagree.

I was looking for realistic options if Jimbo Fisher was run off in year 3. I don't think either guy you mentioned is realistic, though I understand why you would want them.

Many top programs have given the reins to new head coaches. It just seems like some people think FSU is above that when UF, USC, Oklahoma, Tennessee,Georgia and even Alabama aren't above it.

I actually have FSU trending in the right direction. The recruiting classes are going in the right direction and even our wins are going in the right direction. Even with all the injuries and mistakes (miss field goal, costly penalties). We still almost get a 10 win season.

I agree that the word "NOW" is more applicable this coming year than last year. ACC championship and a BCS bowl win is the minimum.

It's your opinion. But, you must not know all about Alex Smith. And actually, go back to BG and see who was with Urban.

I'm not going to puff out my chest and say who I know and what not, it's just not that important.

But, with all of your inside knowledge, can you explain about the board?

I think 4 losses and you have to seriously think about a change. 5 losses (including the bowl game for this post) and we need to make a change.

The UVA debacle game showed Jimbo has some "growing" to do as HC. That was the end of year two. In two years we have had 4 inexplicable losses.

That is a lot of losses for no good reason.

Pben's point is well taken. We settled by hiring an asst. However, it was a Faustian bargain. Jimbo was gone to WVU when he was offered the HCIW gig.

Even after he stayed, we could have stroked a check for 5 million (boosters were prepared to do it) and we could have gotten who we wanted not who TK kept here to keep us from going into the abyss. However, there was a majority who wanted to give him the shot because he stayed here.

so who would have been a safer bet? who would have had this team ready enough that Wake and UVA would not have happened last year?

1. IMHO Golden for starters.

The fact um even showed up last year was an underestimated accomplishment.

2. Hoke was doing well at SDSU

3. Kiffin-probably could have got him after being at Oakland

4. Petrino-he would have come to FSU

5. Rich Rod-there, I said it

6. peterson.

7. Patterson

8. It is not realistic to assume that a good coach with prior hc experience would not have gotten this team focused enough to be 10-2 last year and the year before.

I think if this team was focused last year it would have been 11-1 but the lack of focus at Clemson was understandable.

Can Jimbo turn it around? This year will tell the tale.

All the teams you listed save Bama will suck.

clemson may not be a top 25 team with what they have coming back-ditto for um. Uf will probably be a 15-25 team.

Clemson will be the 2012 texas A&M.

we sure as hell better beat all of them