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Gators have got to be worried

  • If we go to the Big 12 we will finally have the money and resources that are on par with what the Gates have at their disposal. It's pretty amazing that we have been able to compete and in some cases dominate the rivalry without the resources offered by the SEC.

    Mass Nole ●

  • Mass Nole said...

    If we go to the Big 12 we will finally have the money and resources that are on par with what the Gates have at their disposal. It's pretty amazing that we have been able to compete and in some cases dominate the rivalry without the resources offered by the SEC.

    There's no doubt we will have closed the gap. However, we still won't be "on par" with them by any means. Most likely, the new SEC contract will still be larger then our Big 12 deal. A lot will depend on how FSU uses it's Tier 3 rights - Big 12 starting it's own network, FSU trying it's own network ala LHN, etc.

    Regardless, the TV money will be much closer.

    But, UF will still have many more resources (boosters, ticket sales, etc).

    GO NOLES!

    1st_and_NOLE

  • If I recall correctly, our athletic budget is about $20 million behind theirs (FSU=$86 and UF= $106?). We can close the gap and possibly become apart of the $100 million club (which is rare) with the move though.

    fsukum

  • We will never truly be on par with them budget wise until we are fully endowed like they are.

    That has to be the number one goal.

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    ZZ1059 ●

  • ZZ1059 said...

    We will never truly be on par with them budget wise until we are fully endowed like they are.

    That has to be the number one goal.

    How close are we to do that?

    gobucs84 ●

  • gobucs84 said...

    How close are we to do that?

    Far, far away. It must be a huge priority if we start receiving the type money that is being rumored.

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  • I'm not worried lol

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  • DPGators said...

    I'm not worried lol

    You have enough to worry about in Gainsville than to be worrying about us anyways.

    fsukum

  • fsukum said...

    You have enough to worry about in Gainsville than to be worrying about us anyways.

    Yep true story for football anyway

    GainEsville

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  • DPGators said...

    I'm not worried lol

    Worried may be a strong word but when UF's two major advantages over FSU disappear that would cause a shift in the seat for most honest UF fans.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    Worried may be a strong word but when UF's two major advantages over FSU disappear that would cause a shift in the seat for most honest UF fans.

    money is always going to be in UF favor but this closes the gap. FSU has done very well over the last 25 years even with budget problems. Slive will get the SEC the richest TV deal when they have to pay up for A&M and Mizz.

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    AtlGator19

  • AtlGator19 said...

    money is always going to be in UF favor but this closes the gap. FSU has done very well over the last 25 years even with budget problems. Slive will get the SEC the richest TV deal when they have to pay up for A&M and Mizz.

    Yeah but we are exiting a time in which UF had a lot of money and FSU didn't have enough. If FSU finally has plenty but UF has more the main issue is that FSU has money, not that UF still has a few extra schollies endowed, etc.

    fsufsu

  • I'm not sure the SEC is going to get some huge deal. Just like the ACC the SEC is already under contract with ESPN. Their rights aren't going back on the open market and ESPN does not have to pay fair market value for the entire conference. The ACC went from $13-17M. I think the SEC's at $17M right now. I could see them getting $5-6M and going up to $22-23M. Maybe $25M. I just have trouble seeing anything higher given what I already stated; that ESPN already owns the SEC's rights and isn't re-bidding on them.

    If it's $25M, it wouldn't be much more than a 14-team Big 12 if FSU were in it. If they're currently at $20M like rumored I could see it going up to $22-24M. Keep in mind that the Big 12 has yet to actually sign their contract yet, to our knowledge. They should receive market rate for their product. That may result in the two contracts being of very similar value.

    Don't forget the Big Ten's deal ends in a few years (2016 maybe?) and they'll undoubtedly see a huge raise, too.

    tricknole

  • tricknole said...

    I'm not sure the SEC is going to get some huge deal. Just like the ACC the SEC is already under contract with ESPN. Their rights aren't going back on the open market and ESPN does not have to pay fair market value for the entire conference. The ACC went from $13-17M. I think the SEC's at $17M right now. I could see them getting $5-6M and going up to $22-23M. Maybe $25M. I just have trouble seeing anything higher given what I already stated; that ESPN already owns the SEC's rights and isn't re-bidding on them.

    If it's $25M, it wouldn't be much more than a 14-team Big 12 if FSU were in it. If they're currently at $20M like rumored I could see it going up to $22-24M. Keep in mind that the Big 12 has yet to actually sign their contract yet, to our knowledge. They should receive market rate for their product. That may result in the two contracts being of very similar value.

    Don't forget the Big Ten's deal ends in a few years (2016 maybe?) and they'll undoubtedly see a huge raise, too.

    the number Tony Barnhart thew out this morning is a rumored 25-32 million. He also stated that this "new" deal would officially become the "SEC Network". It's all talk at this point but no way Slive expanded the SEC to take only "5-6 million" extra...guy doesn't move that way and $$$ is the bottom line.

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    AtlGator19

  • Sooner or later there will be a market correction as priorities are arranged for Mr. and Mrs. College Sports Fan. The cost of going to a game is becoming prohibitive at worst and problematic at best for the average family these days, esp. when you can take it in on the tube at the hacienda for nada. I was just talking to an old HS buddy who is a UF alum and had been a 20yr season ticket holder along w/ 3 other classmates of mine that went to UF. They are all 40 yr old family men and all have relinquished their 20 yr season tix due to the hassles of going to a game these days and mainly the expense. And they are far from alone.

    Sooner or later the powers that be are going to price themselves out of alot of seats.

    levynole ●

  • With adding FSU and Clemson the Big 12 deal goes to 23-24 million. That's with 12 teams. Having added Houston, St Louis and Kansas City to their portfolio I'd say the SEC will get ~28 for tiers 1 and 2.

    fsufsu

  • Mass Nole said...

    If we go to the Big 12 we will finally have the money and resources that are on par with what the Gates have at their disposal. It's pretty amazing that we have been able to compete and in some cases dominate the rivalry without the resources offered by the SEC.

    Our boosters still fork out more money than yall can dream of, So that playing field will never be even.. And damn yet another thread on the Gators?? Its funny to me cause when yall sucked, I didnt have to scream it out to the world and tell everyone how bad yall were. Cause everyone could see it, I knew deep down yall were terrible so I didnt have to say anything. But yall are over here everyday barking out how bad we are.. And why? Cause your worried..Yall know deep down we aint go nowhere but yet yall get on here and try to convince eachother otherwise.. Its pure comedy, if were so terrible than why do yall gloat about beating a bad UF team?? Dont yall clowns wanna beat us when were at our best?? Nah, yall are satisified with good recruting classes, beating UF every couple yrs an not sniffing the National Game..Good lord, it must suck to be a Nolie

    This post was edited by 386gator on 5/21/2012 at 12:21 PM

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  • Unfortunately, the Gator is right. UF's real wealth comes from it's healthy booster contributions, which is far greater than FSU's. And I believe those budgets are off. The last time I checked, UF's athletic budget doubled FSU's. The TV contract isn't going to catch them.

    Bowden4prez

  • 386gator said...

    Our boosters still fork out more money than yall can dream of, So that playing field will never be even.. And damn yet another thread on the Gators?? Its funny to me cause when yall sucked, I didnt have to scream it out to the world and tell everyone how bad yall were. Cause everyone could see it, I knew deep down yall were terrible so I didnt have to say anything. But yall are over here everyday barking out how bad we are.. And why? Cause your worried..Yall know deep down we aint go nowhere but yet yall get on here and try to convince eachother otherwise.. Its pure comedy, if were so terrible than why do yall gloat about beating a bad UF team?? Dont yall clowns wanna beat us when were at our best?? Nah, yall are satisified with good recruting classes, beating UF every couple yrs an not sniffing the National Game..Good lord, it must suck to be a Nolie

    Why you post here is beyond me. Won't be long though I guess, at some point the very chill moderators we love here will say enough is enough.

    For every word you just used to try and paint us as Gator obsessed can be painted to you as a permanent resident of this board. Why are you here 5 hours a day? Obsessed much?

    fsufsu

  • AtlGator19 said...

    the number Tony Barnhart thew out this morning is a rumored 25-32 million. He also stated that this 'new' deal would officially become the 'SEC Network'. It's all talk at this point but no way Slive expanded the SEC to take only '5-6 million' extra...guy doesn't move that way and $$$ is the bottom line.

    I, by no means, have sources on this or am an expert in the field. I am simply looking at the situation and trying to make a best-guess based on what we know today. What SEC Network? Don't you already have that (sort of)? Or are you saying a new network that will only show SEC content 24/7 like the Big Ten Network? I'd imagine schools' third tier rights wouldn't be on it since you all own those yourselves and most schools have sold these for the next X number of years.

    I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Slive would've expanded for "only" $6M/year/school. He HAD to expand because it was the only way to get more money. He wasn't going to just sit back and let other conference pass up the SEC by $3-5M.

    It's hard to imagine the SEC nearly doubling its current contract to get to $32M. That seems like wishful thinking to me. I said I could see $25M. That's still in the range of believable. And if it's $25M, the SEC will have the largest contract out there. But it won't be that far ahead of the Big Ten, Pac 12 or an expanded Big 12 (~$2-5M?) and the Big Ten will actually be going to the OPEN MARKET in a few years and may surpass the SEC at that time. That's all I'm saying. I don't know how to factor in this "SEC Network" of which you speak since there are no details about it other than you've already had an "SEC Network" for the last 2-3 years.

    I'm not suggesting the SEC should be worried. I'm not suggesting that FSU or the Big 12 with FSU are going to surpass the SEC. I don't care about that crap. As long as FSU's in the upper echelon of football schools and being paid the same as the rest of them I'm good.

    This post was edited by tricknole on 5/21/2012 at 1:00 PM

    tricknole

  • tricknole said...

    I, by no means, have sources on this or am an expert in the field. I am simply looking at the situation and trying to make a best-guess based on what we know today. What SEC Network? Don't you already have that (sort of)? Or are you saying a new network that will only show SEC content 24/7 like the Big Ten Network? I'd imagine schools' third tier rights wouldn't be on it since you all own those yourselves and most schools have sold these for the next X number of years.

    I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Slive would've expanded for "only" $6M/year/school. He HAD to expand because it was the only way to get more money. He wasn't going to just sit back and let other conference pass up the SEC by $3-5M.

    It's hard to imagine the SEC nearly doubling its current contract to get to $32M. That seems like wishful thinking to me. I said I could see $25M. That's still in the range of believable. And if it's $25M, the SEC will have the largest contract out there. But it won't be that far ahead of the Big Ten, Pac 12 or an expanded Big 12 (~$2-5M?) and the Big Ten will actually be going to the OPEN MARKET in a few years and may surpass the SEC at that time. That's all I'm saying. I don't know how to factor in this "SEC Network" of which you speak since there are no details about it other than you've already had an "SEC Network" for the last 2-3 years.

    I'm not suggesting the SEC should be worried. I'm not suggesting that FSU or the Big 12 with FSU are going to surpass the SEC. I don't care about that crap. As long as FSU's in the upper echelon of football schools and being paid the same as the rest of them I'm good.

    This post was edited by AtlGator19 on 5/21/2012 at 1:06 PM

    Report: The SEC is looking to start its own network - CBSSports.com

    SEC will begin restructuring its media rights deal with CBS and ESPN in a few weeks, and the launch of the SEC Network is on the agenda.

    www.cbssports.com
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    AtlGator19

  • Bowden4prez said...

    Unfortunately, the Gator is right. UF's real wealth comes from it's healthy booster contributions, which is far greater than FSU's. And I believe those budgets are off. The last time I checked, UF's athletic budget doubled FSU's. The TV contract isn't going to catch them.

    Double? Not even close. Our most recent budget was $86M. Their's was $107M.

    This post was edited by tricknole on 5/21/2012 at 1:25 PM

    tricknole

  • AtlGator19 said...

    Cool blurb but that doesn't really clarify anything. shrug

    tricknole

  • tricknole said...

    I, by no means, have sources on this or am an expert in the field. I am simply looking at the situation and trying to make a best-guess based on what we know today. What SEC Network? Don't you already have that (sort of)? Or are you saying a new network that will only show SEC content 24/7 like the Big Ten Network? I'd imagine schools' third tier rights wouldn't be on it since you all own those yourselves and most schools have sold these for the next X number of years.

    I think you're kidding yourself if you don't think Slive would've expanded for "only" $6M/year/school. He HAD to expand because it was the only way to get more money. He wasn't going to just sit back and let other conference pass up the SEC by $3-5M.

    It's hard to imagine the SEC nearly doubling its current contract to get to $32M. That seems like wishful thinking to me. I said I could see $25M. That's still in the range of believable. And if it's $25M, the SEC will have the largest contract out there. But it won't be that far ahead of the Big Ten, Pac 12 or an expanded Big 12 (~$2-5M?) and the Big Ten will actually be going to the OPEN MARKET in a few years and may surpass the SEC at that time. That's all I'm saying. I don't know how to factor in this "SEC Network" of which you speak since there are no details about it other than you've already had an "SEC Network" for the last 2-3 years.

    I'm not suggesting the SEC should be worried. I'm not suggesting that FSU or the Big 12 with FSU are going to surpass the SEC. I don't care about that crap. As long as FSU's in the upper echelon of football schools and being paid the same as the rest of them I'm good.

    Great post. One thing I think you are missing in denouncing the chance to double contract is that between now and just 3-5 years ago the understanding of how crucial tv money will be going forward has been night and day.

    ESPN is gladly paying these higher prices because they've gotten new research letting them know that even at these prices it will still be great business.

    My vague guesses would be:
    SEC at 14 = 28 per team
    Big 12 at 12 = 24 per team
    PAC12 at 12 = 25 per team
    B1G at 12 = 25 per team

    Pac 12 has a whole 1/3rd of the country to themselves
    B1G is littered with major population centers
    Big 12 will hit it HUGE when Notre Dame joins in 2016 (Becomes the Big14 and gets around 28 per team)

    fsufsu

  • money is great and all
    but unless you are Clem$on
    it doesn't buy players or
    W's & L's

    it just helps support all your other sports
    football & basketball will always be able to hold their own
    doesn't matter how much $$ you bring in

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