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Freeman/Wilder/Pender

  • Who gets the most carries, and do you guys think Pender becomes the number one back at the end of the season?

    I personally see Freeman getting about 200 carries next season, with Pender/Wilder splitting the rest of the bulk. I don't see CT23 or Los contributing a ton next year from the RB position.

    NorthStarNole

  • Karlos...lol just stirring the pot. I think Freeman for sure...he showed enough to carry the load.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Mass Nole on 1/18/2012 at 8:27 PM

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  • Def see freeman getting 60% JWJ/Pender/Pryor/Beverly split the rest

    nolesallday40

  • Pender will shock. Been saying he's our top man from the bowl game on into 2013

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  • As long as wee have the O line working like they should then we should have a really impressive running game

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  • I wouldn't concede it to Freeman from what I have read a lot of our running problems were poor reads by the RB's

    I even saw a post that indicated our coaches feel the loss of CT probably cosy us 2 to 3 games

    delawarenole

  • delawarenole said...

    I wouldn't concede it to Freeman from what I have read a lot of our running problems were poor reads by the RB's

    I even saw a post that indicated our coaches feel the loss of CT probably cosy us 2 to 3 games

    Sorry but CT wasn't getting it done either. He is a 2yr, 1yrd,3yrd, 18yrd runnner. He's not an every down back and I have no idea why we try to make him one. Not saying he isn't good but he puts us behind the chains a lot. I like him running the ball on 2 and 4 when its 50/50 whether we pass or run. We're not putting him in a position to succeed when we run him on 1rst and 10 and the the D is playing the run all the way.

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  • I think Pender is a special special talent, I wouldn't be surprised to see him overtake the starting job during the season, especially if he shows he can read his blocks up front. The only thing that will keep him from it IMO will be his ability to pick up his blocking assignments in the passing game. If Pender is used right, he could easily be our Reggie Bush, I see him as being that good.

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  • delawarenole said...

    I wouldn't concede it to Freeman from what I have read a lot of our running problems were poor reads by the RB's

    I even saw a post that indicated our coaches feel the loss of CT probably cosy us 2 to 3 games

    They were freshman. They come from HS where they are better than everybody and they can just use their speed to get the job done. It takes time for them to realize that in college, everyone is just as fast and you have to rely more on your reads. I think Freeman, Wilder, and Pender are gonna be good next year. A year older they will have learned how to read blocks better. Pender is gonna be that perfect Reggie Bush type back out of the backfield to compliment Freeman and Wilder. If Los does move to RB then our backfield is going to be that much better. Freeman is going to see the bulk of the carries with Wilder being the short yardage and goaline guy and Pender being the 3rd down back. If Los moves to RB he will be used to spell Freeman

    This post was edited by 904FSUfan on 1/19/2012 at 7:59 AM

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  • All I am saying is that the coaches - I think it was a reliable source like Josh that posted it - think a large portion of the issues were related to the RB and nt just the OL like we al believe

    If that is the case then you shouldn't concede the job to Freeman

    delawarenole

  • WarDogCG58 said...

    Sorry but CT wasn't getting it done either. He is a 2yr, 1yrd,3yrd, 18yrd runnner. He's not an every down back and I have no idea why we try to make him one. Not saying he isn't good but he puts us behind the chains a lot. I like him running the ball on 2 and 4 when its 50/50 whether we pass or run. We're not putting him in a position to succeed when we run him on 1rst and 10 and the the D is playing the run all the way.

    Just quoting the coaches opine not mine

    Plus CT did a good job as the primary back the year before

    delawarenole

  • delawarenole said...

    All I am saying is that the coaches - I think it was a reliable source like Josh that posted it - think a large portion of the issues were related to the RB and nt just the OL like we al believe

    If that is the case then you shouldn't concede the job to Freeman

    I get what youre saying and totally agree, but their is a reason why their are only a handful of starting freshman RBs and why only there is only a small percentage of them that actually have success. They are freshman. RB is one of the hardest positions to adust to from HS

    904FSUfan

  • Here's a question for all the Mario Pender fans (I'm one of them too, by the way...)

    Do you guys think Pender will pass up James Wilder Jr on the depth chart before August? He'll have a Spring and Summer under his belt. AND if he does indeed do that. Do you think James Wilder Jr will finally move to his best position -- linebacker?

    I like watching a 225 physical specimen tote the rock just as much as the next guy, but he doesn't see his cut back lanes, among other issues.

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  • BushidoNole said...

    Here's a question for all the Mario Pender fans (I'm one of them too, by the way...)

    Do you guys think Pender will pass up James Wilder Jr on the depth chart before August? He'll have a Spring and Summer under his belt. AND if he does indeed do that. Do you think James Wilder Jr will finally move to his best position -- linebacker?

    I like watching a 225 physical specimen tote the rock just as much as the next guy, but he doesn't see his cut back lanes, among other issues.

    Bush completely agree, theres no reason 2 have that much tatlent wasted at 1 position... in additon 2 the fact that wilder would be a str8 beast at LB!!!!!!!!!!!

    This post was edited by ChopIt Nation117386 on 1/19/2012 at 8:41 AM

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  • BushidoNole said...

    Here's a question for all the Mario Pender fans (I'm one of them too, by the way...)

    Do you guys think Pender will pass up James Wilder Jr on the depth chart before August? He'll have a Spring and Summer under his belt. AND if he does indeed do that. Do you think James Wilder Jr will finally move to his best position -- linebacker?

    I like watching a 225 physical specimen tote the rock just as much as the next guy, but he doesn't see his cut back lanes, among other issues.

    I think it's very reasonable to expect Pender to pass Wilder on the depth chart by the end of the summer, but then again, Jimbo seemed pretty pleased with Wilder going into the bowl game and Wilder and Freeman both shared time pretty evenly against ND if I remember correctly.

    Personally, I've hopped off the Wilder at RB train. I really, really, wanted it to work out as I was a huge supporter last offseason of giving him a chance at RB. However, now after seeing him, it does not seem like a natural fit and I think he would make a lot more $ playing linebacker.

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  • BushidoNole said...

    Here's a question for all the Mario Pender fans (I'm one of them too, by the way...)

    Do you guys think Pender will pass up James Wilder Jr on the depth chart before August? He'll have a Spring and Summer under his belt. AND if he does indeed do that. Do you think James Wilder Jr will finally move to his best position -- linebacker?

    I like watching a 225 physical specimen tote the rock just as much as the next guy, but he doesn't see his cut back lanes, among other issues.

    I said earlier that I think of Pender as another Reggie Bush. With similar size and speed he is the type of guy you want in space. I think we use him like USC used Bush. He will be that dynamic change of pace playmaker while Freeman will be the primary back like Lendale White was.

    But the fact that we rotate backs so much, there is no telling who is going pass who on the depth chart. To me its almost pointless to even look at ours because of our rotation.

    This post was edited by 904FSUfan on 1/19/2012 at 9:42 AM

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  • 904FSUfan said...

    I think it depends on whether Los moves to safety and whether or not we land Northrup. If Los goes to RB then he would be an upgrade to Wilder because they are the same size but Los has the speed. I think Wilder made his living on the defensive side of the ball. Thats what made him the 5* player he was. I think he wanted to follow in his dads footsteps and lets face it, there arent a lot of HS kids with his size and strength so he dominated. I think it gave him a false sense of hope that he was actually that good. I would love for him to move to LB. The only problem is how long would it take him to learn the defense? I dont mean to insult the kid or talk down about him, he did struggle in class in HS and would that translate into him picking up a complex defense like Stoops'?

    See ball, attack ball.

    It really is that simple most of the time for the front seven.

    Jimbo's offense is far more complex than Stoops. You should see how thick the offensive playbook is -- which frustrates me, because of how predictable our playing calling can be.

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  • BushidoNole said...

    See ball, attack ball.

    It really is that simple most of the time for the front seven.

    Jimbo's offense is far more complex than Stoops. You should see how thick the offensive playbook is -- which frustrates me, because of how predictable our playing calling can be.

    You've seen.....the Book?

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  • BushidoNole said...

    See ball, attack ball.

    It really is that simple most of the time for the front seven.

    Jimbo's offense is far more complex than Stoops. You should see how thick the offensive playbook is -- which frustrates me, because of how predictable our playing calling can be.

    But would he have that Jeff Luc effect? He would almost be a freshman in terms of it being his first time in the defensive playbook just like Luc. If he struggles like Luc then he wouldnt be a major factor until his Jr yr. Thats if another LB hasnt stepped up or we havent recruited another stud at the position by that time. That would also be a waste of his talent.

    904FSUfan

  • 904FSUfan said...

    But would he have that Jeff Luc effect? He would almost be a freshman in terms of it being his first time in the defensive playbook just like Luc. If he struggles like Luc then he wouldnt be a major factor until his Jr yr. Thats if another LB hasnt stepped up or we havent recruited another stud at the position by that time. That would also be a waste of his talent.

    Telvin Smith and James Wilder Jr had no issues getting on the field as freshmen.

    Luc's issues wasn't the playbook. It was that he was 6'0, had a bum knee, and was up to 260 pounds last season.

    It's really as simple as what I pointed out. No, really, it is...

    Sure you need to know gap assignments, coverage zones, and if you're responsible for a blitz...But that's a hell of a lot easier than playing quarterback, blitz pick-up's, memorizing how many steps you take before you make a cut in your route, etc.

    See ball, attack ball

    And James Wilder Jr had 29 sacks and 71 tackles for a loss in his final two seasons at Plant. He was the No.1 linebacker in the country for a reason. I know it's a bit premature to say this, but I think he's costing himself an NFL career by staying on offense.

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  • BushidoNole said...

    Telvin Smith and James Wilder Jr had no issues getting on the field as freshmen.

    Luc's issues wasn't the playbook. It was that he was 6'0, had a bum knee, and was up to 260 pounds last season.

    It's really as simple as what I pointed out. No, really, it is...

    Sure you need to know gap assignments, coverage zones, and if you're responsible for a blitz...But that's a hell of a lot easier than playing quarterback, blitz pick-up's, memorizing how many steps you take before you make a cut in your route, etc.

    See ball, attack ball

    And James Wilder Jr had 29 sacks and 71 tackles for a loss in his final two seasons at Plant. He was the No.1 linebacker in the country for a reason. I know it's a bit premature to say this, but I think he's costing himself an NFL career by staying on offense.

    He needs 2 make the switch, the reason he wants 2 be a RB is b/c thats what his pops play in the pros...

    ChopIt Nation117386

  • BushidoNole said...

    Telvin Smith and James Wilder Jr had no issues getting on the field as freshmen.

    Luc's issues wasn't the playbook. It was that he was 6'0, had a bum knee, and was up to 260 pounds last season.

    It's really as simple as what I pointed out. No, really, it is...

    Sure you need to know gap assignments, coverage zones, and if you're responsible for a blitz...But that's a hell of a lot easier than playing quarterback, blitz pick-up's, memorizing how many steps you take before you make a cut in your route, etc.

    See ball, attack ball

    And James Wilder Jr had 29 sacks and 71 tackles for a loss in his final two seasons at Plant. He was the No.1 linebacker in the country for a reason. I know it's a bit premature to say this, but I think he's costing himself an NFL career by staying on offense.

    I never said that he wouldnt be a beast at LB. See ball attack ball is more a HS philiosophy to me. There are alot more gap assignments amd coverage responsibilites in college. There is an exception to the rule i.e Telvin Smith. But everyone isnt Telvin Smith. As i remember Telvin Smith made his name on special teams. He did play some on defense but he was such a special teams standout that u had to play him. Wilder got in the game mainly on special teams too. He got his carries at RB by default. Wilder was brought in to be the short yardage/goal line back and barely got that. How many times did we have a 3rd an short or a be down inside the 10 yrd line and see Wilder on the sideline? So that has to say something. He got a lot of carries against Charleston Southern(garbage time) and at Notre Dame( there was no else one left) You say "See ball attack ball", well in short yardage situations, theres no thought. Get the first down or get in the end zone. If by Jimbo's own admission Wilder gets at least 2 to 3 yrds minimum, it has to be something deeper as to why he wouldnt put him in during those situtations
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    Wilder was so much bigger and stronger than everyone in HS that he did dominate. Do i believe that he can do the same in college? Yes. Do the coaches? Would he even want to move? The main reason he came to FSU was because of Eddie Gran and his ability to develop big backs. We were also one of the only schools that recruited him primarily as a RB. So would he even want to put in the work and effort to become a good LB?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by 904FSUfan on 1/19/2012 at 10:05 AM

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