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Fisher comments on Big-XII rumors

  • What's the net number that makes it NOT worth the move? To me a 5m gain is barely worth it. Anything less is a bad move.

    The net change in revenue is not the difference between 17m and 25m is NOT a net 8m per year.

    Factors....
    1. Tier 3 big 12 style adds the puff fist to games. We already have everything else in inventory. I doubt those snoopers are worth much at all.
    2. travel expenses go up at least 2m. Has to include the band.
    3. 20m buyout over 10 years is an annual 2 m reduction.

    The 8m turns to 4m and change. Is that worth it?

    Jadaway

  • The buyout may be split with the big 12. Also! The big 12 numbers will go way up with a top 10 national draw added. Also, tier 3 rights add at least 5 million a year. I also think the travel price difference would be less than your calculations.

    This post was edited by TNOLE27 on 5/12/2012 at 11:34 PM

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  • BC61NOLE said...

    I am good with leaving ACC, just wonder how it would change things for us in recruiting.

    I think it would help recruiting.

    More access to games by the west coast kids.

    atgreek

  • Jadaway said...

    What's the net number that makes it NOT worth the move? To me a 5m gain is barely worth it. Anything less is a bad move.

    The net change in revenue is not the difference between 17m and 25m is NOT a net 8m per year.

    Factors.... 1. Tier 3 big 12 style adds the puff fist to games. We already have everything else in inventory. I doubt those snoopers are worth much at all. 2. travel expenses go up at least 2m. Has to include the band. 3. 20m buyout over 10 years is an annual 2 m reduction.

    The 8m turns to 4m and change. Is that worth it?

    Well since the ACC contract isn't actually $17M per school(until 2021) and the ACC office takes their own cut basically means next year FSU will make about $13M next year, and the Big 12 would be willing to probably help with half of the buyout. Let's say FSU was currently in the Big 12 you would be looking at $20M next year +6M in tier three money, so there alone you would be making $26M and that doesn't take into consideration the bump in money the Big 12 would get for adding FSU and let's say Clemson which would also bring a CG.....

    So let's be conservative and say ESPN will give an extra $1M per school and $1.5M for a CG that would bring the current contract to $23.5M per school then add your $6M in tier three money and you would be making $29.5M per year versus the $13M in the ACC, also the Big 12 reimburses member schools for travel expenses so that is an overblown issue. Even if it was a little increase take $2M out for travel that still means you would net an extra $14M a year in the Big 12 over the ACC.

    If the word that ESPN would bump the contract by $2M per school and $2M for a CG then that would bump your total money to $32M a year and if you take out $2M for extra travel expenses then you are looking at $17M more a year in the Big 12 then you currently make in the ACC.....

    The fact that the ACC contract is back loaded is a killer, because by the time it is fully implemented in 2021 it will be 10 years behind on the money versus the other conferences.

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  • I love it... i want to thank all you Noles fans for keeping the Convo public... i am EXTREMELY interested in the FSU situation... the 247 site for FSU is VERY active and informative... so THANK YOU!! my two cents: Leave! ACC i think kind of slapped y'all in the face with the deal... they just want y'all for football money, i honestly want y'all in SEC... idk how much of possibility that is, but i want it... y'all going to Big 12 takes a LOT of SEC talent out of the Southeast... and honestly the Big 12 will probably have the next non SEC NC... FSU has history, campus, and fan base (when there is a game worth watching, see OU) that would not only fit in to SEC, but ADD to it... take it for what u will... but i say leave, and please kick some Gator Ass!!! (Can't stand UF, so much i only drink powerade)

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  • If Fisher absolutely wanted to end doubt about leaving he would have made that very obvious in his comments.

    The fact that FSU and Spetman took soo long to make comments also shows me they're strongly considering it.

    seminolelive84 ●

  • Jadaway said...

    What's the net number that makes it NOT worth the move? To me a 5m gain is barely worth it. Anything less is a bad move.

    The net change in revenue is not the difference between 17m and 25m is NOT a net 8m per year.

    Factors.... 1. Tier 3 big 12 style adds the puff fist to games. We already have everything else in inventory. I doubt those snoopers are worth much at all. 2. travel expenses go up at least 2m. Has to include the band. 3. 20m buyout over 10 years is an annual 2 m reduction.

    The 8m turns to 4m and change. Is that worth it?

    Ok man few things
    1. The ACC also takes one full cut(which would bring it down to 16)
    2. It is whats called an "elevator scale" so basically starts off small and increases towards the end of the contract.
    3. The contract does not go into effect until Syracuse and Pitt are formal members of the ACC(which isn't this year).
    4. the first increase we will see when 1-3 are met is 1 million total.
    5. We will not see the full 4 million increase until 2021(yes 9 #$!@#$ years)
    6. Big 12 payed upwards of 10 mill of WV's exit fee from the Big east.
    8. There is still a 27 month exit process from the Big east(Pitt filed suit to leave earlier, may/may not happen which will push that 1 mill further out)
    7. Espn has said they will not even review the contract for 5 years(hmm winning a NC wouldn't benefit us?)

    So 25mill+tier 3 right now = Big 12
    13mill no tier 3 this year(possible 14 next) = ACC
    I'll give you the 10-20 mill exit fee, there is a post on here about comparing distances between the schools and it averaged 270miles further which does not equal an extra 2 million in travel expenses.
    My math isn't that great but.....

    That is a crap contract. Period.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Ocalanole on 5/13/2012 at 9:49 AM

    Ocalanole

  • We leave what does the ACC have for bowl options, they will lose guality bowl tie ins, nobody wants BC in their bowl.

    Drevenole

  • Jadaway said...

    What's the net number that makes it NOT worth the move? To me a 5m gain is barely worth it. Anything less is a bad move.

    The net change in revenue is not the difference between 17m and 25m is NOT a net 8m per year.

    Factors.... 1. Tier 3 big 12 style adds the puff fist to games. We already have everything else in inventory. I doubt those snoopers are worth much at all. 2. travel expenses go up at least 2m. Has to include the band. 3. 20m buyout over 10 years is an annual 2 m reduction.

    The 8m turns to 4m and change. Is that worth it?

    5X15= $75M...That's a lot of money.

    DaddyO

  • Jadaway said...

    What's the net number that makes it NOT worth the move? To me a 5m gain is barely worth it. Anything less is a bad move.

    The net change in revenue is not the difference between 17m and 25m is NOT a net 8m per year.

    Factors.... 1. Tier 3 big 12 style adds the puff fist to games. We already have everything else in inventory. I doubt those snoopers are worth much at all. 2. travel expenses go up at least 2m. Has to include the band. 3. 20m buyout over 10 years is an annual 2 m reduction.

    The 8m turns to 4m and change. Is that worth it?

    The B12 payed for some of WVU's exit fee. I'd expect they'd pay more for us than they did for WVU.

    Also, word on the street is that the B12 is willing to pay 10-12 million of our 20 million buyout.

    TNoles813 ●

  • As a fan of Miami, let me say I dont want you guys to leave the ACC. Everyone with a brain realizes that FSU runs the ACC from a financial perspective. The ACC needs FSU. Without them it becomes a basketball conference with football teams. The only resason the ACC looks weak is because Miami and FSU have really been in a long funk. With Jimbo and Golden I see no reason that cant change. Young coaches with an eye for talent.

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  • Brannen55 said...

    As a fan of Miami, let me say I dont want you guys to leave the ACC. Everyone with a brain realizes that FSU runs the ACC from a financial perspective. The ACC needs FSU. Without them it becomes a basketball conference with football teams. The only resason the ACC looks weak is because Miami and FSU have really been in a long funk. With Jimbo and Golden I see no reason that cant change. Young coaches with an eye for talent.

    UM if we do leave you would be smart to beg, borrow, and steal to get in there with us or you are back in the Big East in reality.

    tmsmith2 ●

  • Jadaway said...

    I'm not a big fan of the idea. I guess there are scenarios that it could be good like adding 4 southeastern teams including Miami but there are just as likely scenarios where the ACC could be made better.

    After OU and Texas the big 12 is a stinker. Plus, I don't buy the numbers being thrown around.

    OK State hasn't been very competitive lately? K State isn't at least as good as mid/upper level ACC schools? Texas Tech had a nice run. TCU could be a formidable opponent. I doubt Baylor has a year like they did last year again but they may be a decent program from this point foreward (new stadium, newish coach, etc.). Iowa State and Kansas are lame but the ACC doesn't have any yawners?

    And obviously we would join with southeastern schools like Clemson and/or a Miami. What scenario could make the ACC significantly better and competitive financially with the other 4 major conferences that has greater than a 1% chance of happening? I don't think there is one.

    tricknole

  • BC61NOLE said...

    I am good with leaving ACC, just wonder how it would change things for us in recruiting.

    Well we'd likely bring some regional southeastern schools with us so that wouldn't really change much of our recruiting base. We'd still recruit FL, GA and AL hard. We haven't hit the Carolinas as hard in recent years but WVU and potential adds in that part of the country could help keep a foothold in the MD/VA/DC area. We may recruit/land Texas prospects more but I don't think that's necessary given our location.

    As with the SEC I could see how kids might prefer to play in a conference with elite programs like Florida State, Texas and Oklahoma and some pretty solid second-tier schools of late like TCU, West Virginia and Oklahoma State. Add in a Clemson and/or a Miami and you got a strong conference cooking that kids would definitely be attracted to. The SEC would still be king in recruiting due to their recent success but I would think this could only help us.

    tricknole

  • tmsmith2 said...

    UM if we do leave you would be smart to beg, borrow, and steal to get in there with us or you are back in the Big East in reality.

    Unfortunately that was yhe last time we doninated the sport. Lol. So here is to hoping you guys stay, the academics of the BIG12 will scare Miami administrators to death. Not sure of money or academics would win out if we were to come along.

    Envy the past, Fear the future

    Brannen55

  • Jadaway said...

    I wasn't referring to the competition level. I'm not going to argue the cyclical wins of Baylor and Kansas st. I'm simply stating that those teams are kinda....blah. Just like the rest of big 12 sans UT/OU.

    The fit sucks. If it happens I hope the money is enough to put the fans through playing a regular season in another region of the country.

    Are you assuming that it's just you guys and Clemson going ?

    I think it will be at least 4 from the ACC. FSU, Clemson, Miami and VT or GT.

    Add in WVU and that's half your conference schedule.

    One road game in Texas and one on the Plains, with two of those schools coming to FSU and there's your schedule.

    So where's the "playing a regular season in another part of the country" fit in ?

    //

    As for the rest of the B12- TCU beat Wiscy in the Rose Bowl two years ago. OSU won the Fiesta Bowl this year, and KSU got shafted out of what should have been a Sugar Bowl appearance. There's some good teams in that conference.

    USCTraveler

  • tricknole said...

    Well we'd likely bring some regional southeastern schools with us so that wouldn't really change much of our recruiting base. We'd still recruit FL, GA and AL hard. We haven't hit the Carolinas as hard in recent years but WVU and potential adds in that part of the country could help keep a foothold in the MD/VA/DC area. We may recruit/land Texas prospects more but I don't think that's necessary given our location.

    As with the SEC I could see how kids might prefer to play in a conference with elite programs like Florida State, Texas and Oklahoma and some pretty solid second-tier schools of late like TCU, West Virginia and Oklahoma State. Add in a Clemson and/or a Miami and you got a strong conference cooking that kids would definitely be attracted to. The SEC would still be king in recruiting due to their recent success but I would think this could only help us.

    A point to think about. The 2nd tier schools have been doing all this with less money than the larger schools until this year, and we all should be getting more with the new contract. TCU has been at a big disadvantage so they concern me going down the road. I think you will see these schools set it up now that they are getting more money.

    CelinaHorn

  • CelinaHorn said...

    A point to think about. The 2nd tier schools have been doing all this with less money than the larger schools until this year, and we all should be getting more with the new contract. TCU has been at a big disadvantage so they concern me going down the road. I think you will see these schools set it up now that they are getting more money.

    Ah, so you're saying parity will strike. Great.

    tricknole

  • Jadaway said...

    I wasn't referring to the competition level. I'm not going to argue the cyclical wins of Baylor and Kansas st. I'm simply stating that those teams are kinda....blah. Just like the rest of big 12 sans UT/OU.

    The fit sucks. If it happens I hope the money is enough to put the fans through playing a regular season in another region of the country.

    All things being equal, or close enough to equal, I prefer the ACC. call me crazy.

    crazy

    Stokesnole

  • From what we are hearing in Sooner country is that the Big 12 is just waiting on FSU to initiate contact so we cant be accused of tampering. There are a lot of people on our board excited about FSU possibly coming into our conference. So hopefully FSU will reach out soon. The RUMORS on our board is if we can get the right members to come in is that the teams could get anywhere from 25 to 30 mill a year and still control their own tier 3 rights. That is only a rumor so take it for what its worth. The Big 12 has tv contract's with both espn/abc and fox.

    This post was edited by Spolarbear72 on 5/14/2012 at 8:14 PM

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  • Spolarbear72 said...

    From what we are hearing in Sooner country is that the Big 12 is just waiting on FSU to initiate contact so we cant be accused of tampering. There are a lot of people on our board excited about FSU possibly coming into our conference. So hopefully FSU will reach out soon. The RUMORS on our board is if we can get the right members to come in is that the teams could get anywhere from 25 to 30 mill a year and still control their own tier 3 rights. That is only a rumor so take it for what its worth. The Big 12 has tv contract's with both espn/abc and fox.

    What football conference wouldn't want FSU? If the Big XII lands them Congrats!!! College Football isn't the same without FSU, Notre Dame and Michigan competing at high level... all are on the rise... and FSU will add to any conference, even the "high and mighty" SEC... So dear Nole fans, your that Hot head cheerleader in high school EVERYONE wants... so can y'all please ditch the nerd (ACC) and go out with a QB(Big XII, SEC)...

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