Unconquered

Fans are not split. Talk to people. The ACC is history. Basketball conference

Most of the people who are against it are writers who don't want to travel to Big 12 schools.

How about a small minority, there that sounds good.

I'm not a big fan of the idea. I guess there are scenarios that it could be good like adding 4 southeastern teams including Miami but there are just as likely scenarios where the ACC could be made better.

After OU and Texas the big 12 is a stinker. Plus, I don't buy the numbers being thrown around.

I don't have any inside scoop but after reading all the posts on this subject, the pro-ACC fans bring pretty weak arguments IMO.

I see your point.

I have been on this site for a while now and never posted but there's no better time than now i guess. I don't think there is any comparison competition wise b/t the ACC and current Big XII. If you follow college football at all, there is much more than OU & Texas in that conference. Both Texas Tech and Baylor beat OU last yr. We did not. KSU was 10-2 and arguably should have played in Sugar Bowl instead of VT. OSU was an OT away from playing in national title game. TCU has consistently been solid and beaten several BCS schools. So i think there's no question the Big XII schools are head and shoulders better than the ACC ones we play now

I think the BIG 12 is as good as the ACC in Baketball at least for the past several yrs. ACC Basketball is living on reputation from several years ago when there were good WF teams, good Virginia teams, good Ga Tech teams. This is no longer the case. I doubt we would have had back to back 3rd place finishes in the Big 12 the part 2 years.

Totally agree. The acc has been at best the 4th best b-ball conference the last few years (behind big east, big 12, big 10), and the sec could make the argument they've been better as well. The only big 6 conference the acc has definitively been better than is the pac 12.

Which is why I suspect the most recent expansion focused on b-ball. The additions of 'cuse and pitt should put the acc back into the top 2.

That expansion, along with the geniuses who renegotiated the tv contract, might also spell the end of the acc as a power conference in anything other than b-ball.

It's kind of ironic that pitt and 'cuse left the big east b/c they wanted more stability, and before they even become official members could be walking into a more untenable situation. If clemson and FSU leave and then 2 or all of Gatech, Vatech, and Miami also leave the acc's relevance in football would be over and it would just become a lesser version of the big east. Even if only FSU and clemson leave the acc is still a lesser version of the big east (b4 'cuse and pitt left anyways) in b-ball and slightly better than it in football.

I know a lot of people that want to stay in the ACC. Theres no conference that compares as far as the cities of the ACC, plus most of out alumni is on the east coast. I like the thought of the Big 12 but we will be displaced from our fans.

Part of the problem is fan support now, buy tickets to the home games and money wouldn't be an issue. This is a money move you have to keep up with the Joneses and staying in the ACC doesn't offer that right now. I would rather stay in the ACC but it's almost to the point you can't anymore because of money.

KSU and Baylor should have been in the Sugar Bowl before VT. I am bias towards Baylor, but if FSU was Baylor last year in the Big 12, you would have been in the BCS. I think FSU is going to be happy with the quality of football over here in the Big 12. Sounds like we are going to get you four eastern teams as well to make traveling closer. Hopefully better bowl ties as well.