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FSU football would be the big winner in move to Big 12

  • This man gets IT.

    Finally some solid journalism.

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/may/27/fsu-football-big-winner-in-move-to-big-12/

    Ray McNulty: FSU football would be the big winner in move to the Big 12 » TCPalm.com

    There are only two reasons Florida State University should not seriously consider any future invitation to join the Big 12 Conference.

    www.tcpalm.com
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    BushidoNole ●

  • Obviously, I agree FSU should be leaving the ACC and would welcome a move to the Big 12.

    However, claiming FSU's "problem" and downfall was more the conference then Bowden is pretty laughable. His only argument was a recruiting disadvantage by being in the ACC vs SEC... yet, recruiting rankings suggest, at least on paper, recruiting has never been a problem.

    GO NOLES!

    1st_and_NOLE

  • 1st_and_NOLE said...

    Obviously, I agree FSU should be leaving the ACC and would welcome a move to the Big 12.

    However, claiming FSU's "problem" and downfall was more the conference then Bowden is pretty laughable. His only argument was a recruiting disadvantage by being in the ACC vs SEC... yet, recruiting rankings suggest, at least on paper, recruiting has never been a problem.

    I agree that Bowden and his staff were more to blame, but that is because they became very lazy. You are right that recruiting was great "on paper," but that is where it ended. We started taking highly ranked guys that were serious character risks, huge grade risks, etc. We were winning the battles that no other school was fighting for the most part in many instances.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • 1st_and_NOLE said...

    Obviously, I agree FSU should be leaving the ACC and would welcome a move to the Big 12.

    However, claiming FSU's "problem" and downfall was more the conference then Bowden is pretty laughable. His only argument was a recruiting disadvantage by being in the ACC vs SEC... yet, recruiting rankings suggest, at least on paper, recruiting has never been a problem.

    I agree if recruiting was the problem it wasn't because of the ACC. It was homegrown.

    This post was edited by fsumd on 5/27/2012 at 8:36 PM

    fsumd

  • FWIW, I have heard your former "comrade" thinks we will lose a lot in recruiting if um does not come with us. I want UM to come with us b/c the will make the conference with most money (and as a result FSU) but I still think kids from Dade and Broward will still want play for us.

    I know, playing texas instead of uva-how will we cope on the recruiting trail?

    The only part of the article that is wrong is Bobby and recruiting. We recruit better than all the SEC powers save Bama. Players did not come here b/c we had a lazy staff.

    This post was edited by TNOLE27 on 5/27/2012 at 8:46 PM

    TNOLE27

  • Looking back at those "star studded" classes the thing that stands out is just the shocking amount of attrition. Total mixed bag too. Kids getting in trouble, grades, transfers, injuries and plain crappy coaching and player development. Tough to blame the ACC for that although I'll happily blame the conference for everything else imaginable.

    BigErn ●

  • This article does get it. I've said it from the start, along with about 50 other people on here, that moving to the B12 isn't some fairy tale perfection. It has its complications and undesirables. But.....

    1. CFB is moving towards 4 super conferences that decide it all; we'd be in one

    2. TV money will be triple what ACC gets starting about 5 years from now. Canes will be getting ~12 and we'll be getting closer to 32-35

    3. The leadership in the B12 is visionary and dynamic; ACC leadership is poor, visionless and it's starting to come out that it's also very corrupt. (If you haven't heard about the Swofford/Raycom controversy then google it)

    4. It's a football conference getting a TREMENDOUS commissioner. It's going to be a GREAT home for FSU.

    5. Travel expenses are shared so they won't go up 40% like DC Reeves blabbered about. He's a terrible writer (translation: I disagree with him about 90% of the time).

    This post was edited by fsufsu on 5/27/2012 at 10:32 PM

    fsufsu ●

  • I think in terms of overall prestige and history of success, a conference headlined by Texas, Oklahoma and fsu is just as appealing from a national standpoint as a conference headlined by Alabama, lsu and Florida. Let's be honest: when people talk about sec football, they're not talking about Kentucky and ole miss. Barron, as much as he needs to address the OVERALL needs of the school, he can't be that stupid to understand the culture of football and the need for fsu football to consistently be good.

    If this deal isn't done by the end of summer, I think divorce papers need to be drafted.. .

    seminolelive84

  • BushidoNole said...

    This man gets IT.

    Finally some solid journalism.

    http://www.tcpalm.com/news/2012/may/27/fsu-football-big-winner-in-move-to-big-12/

    And his name is Ray McNulty? He should have changed his name for his column, nobody sounds credible with a name like McNulty.

    The move needs to happen now!

    RaidingNole

  • fsufsu said...

    This article does get it. I've said it from the start, along with about 50 other people on here, that moving to the B12 isn't some fairy tale perfection. It has its complications and undesirables. But.....

    1. CFB is moving towards 4 super conferences that decide it all; we'd be in one

    2. TV money will be triple what ACC gets starting about 5 years from now. Canes will be getting ~12 and we'll be getting closer to 32-35

    3. The leadership in the B12 is visionary and dynamic; ACC leadership is poor, visionless and it's starting to come out that it's also very corrupt. (If you haven't heard about the Swofford/Raycom controversy then google it)

    4. It's a football conference getting a TREMENDOUS commissioner. It's going to be a GREAT home for FSU.

    5. Travel expenses are shared so they won't go up 40% like DC Reeves blabbered about. He's a terrible writer (translation: I disagree with him about 90% of the time).

    Can't argue with any of that. If our needs get addressed by the B12 and they offer an invitation, we would be foolish not to accept. With FSU the B12 becomes a more solid conference going forward. The ACC as indicated by their TV contract and bowl line up is not as stable.

    DaddyO

  • fsufsu said...

    This article does get it. I've said it from the start, along with about 50 other people on here, that moving to the B12 isn't some fairy tale perfection. It has its complications and undesirables. But.....

    1. CFB is moving towards 4 super conferences that decide it all; we'd be in one

    2. TV money will be triple what ACC gets starting about 5 years from now. Canes will be getting ~12 and we'll be getting closer to 32-35

    3. The leadership in the B12 is visionary and dynamic; ACC leadership is poor, visionless and it's starting to come out that it's also very corrupt. (If you haven't heard about the Swofford/Raycom controversy then google it)

    4. It's a football conference getting a TREMENDOUS commissioner. It's going to be a GREAT home for FSU.

    5. Travel expenses are shared so they won't go up 40% like DC Reeves blabbered about. He's a terrible writer (translation: I disagree with him about 90% of the time).

    DC Reeves was just saying what a consulting firm that was hired by FSU stated in regards to travel increasing by 40%, so blaming him for making that statement is silly. Can you provide a link that states the Big 12 shares the travel expenses?

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  • Burleynole said...

    DC Reeves was just saying what a consulting firm that was hired by FSU stated in regards to travel increasing by 40%, so blaming him for making that statement is silly. Can you provide a link that states the Big 12 shares the travel expenses?

    I googled it and saw 2 distinct proofs. It appears you also are connected to the internet.

    fsufsu ●

  • fsufsu said...

    I googled it and saw 2 distinct proofs. It appears you also are connected to the internet.

    Unnecessary response. If you've already seen it, you can link it.

    FSULaura

  • Burleynole said...

    DC Reeves was just saying what a consulting firm that was hired by FSU stated in regards to travel increasing by 40%, so blaming him for making that statement is silly. Can you provide a link that states the Big 12 shares the travel expenses?

    I've only read from Big 12 posters that they share travel expenses and can't recall seeing a direct link, however, even if they currently do not, this is something FSU and CU can bargain for.

    Crappy Davenpot

  • I don't agree with him saying we don't care about academics. We just don't believe an athletic conference will greatly improve or hurt our academics. He didn't make that distinction.

    And he's full of crap by saying it wasn't on Bowden. Poor coaching hires and poor recruiting coupled with old age brought the program down, not the ACC.

    He's right that we would be with more like-minded schools athletically and football would potentially prosper more in the Big 12 than the ACC but I don't agree much with how he comes to that conclusion.

    tricknole

  • fsufsu said...

    I googled it and saw 2 distinct proofs. It appears you also are connected to the internet.

    Typical of your posting style, you get called on your BS and you respond in a childish way. Once again I ask you, provide a link or STFU.

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    Burley Nole 4 Life!

    Burleynole

  • fsufsu said...

    This article does get it. I've said it from the start, along with about 50 other people on here, that moving to the B12 isn't some fairy tale perfection. It has its complications and undesirables. But.....

    1. CFB is moving towards 4 super conferences that decide it all; we'd be in one

    2. TV money will be triple what ACC gets starting about 5 years from now. Canes will be getting ~12 and we'll be getting closer to 32-35

    3. The leadership in the B12 is visionary and dynamic; ACC leadership is poor, visionless and it's starting to come out that it's also very corrupt. (If you haven't heard about the Swofford/Raycom controversy then google it)

    4. It's a football conference getting a TREMENDOUS commissioner. It's going to be a GREAT home for FSU.

    5. Travel expenses are shared so they won't go up 40% like DC Reeves blabbered about. He's a terrible writer (translation: I disagree with him about 90% of the time).

    In all fairness to DC, just b/c travel costs go by 40% doesn't mean we will be paying all 40%. Also, has anyone looked at pitt and the cuse on a map when determining future ACC travel costs.

    However, I agree with your assessment on him. Hell, DOT in his supposed heyday was so far behind the curve in regard to the ADM and BOT he wasn't even on the curve.

    I know, there is one who may disagree with me on the board and I suspect will continue to do so as long as he can advertise on Warchant.

    I don't object to the advertising mind you, even on this site. I could care less about Warchant .

    However, travel costs are almost a non-factor in making this decision.

    TNOLE27

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