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FSU-West Virginia canceled

  • BigErn said...

    Unfortunately, conference and even division titles are not required criteria. They should be, without a doubt. But they are not.

    Doesn't detract from his point

    Bama had a better "loss" than Okie State.

    If FSU had lost to Oklahoma by 10, without EJ in the 2nd half, but had finished the year w/ one loss, and beaten a BCS team in VT to boot...they're in over Bama and OSU. No doubt.

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  • WillyDees said...

    Doesn't detract from his point

    Bama had a better "loss" than Okie State.

    If FSU had lost to Oklahoma by 10, without EJ in the 2nd half, but had finished the year w/ one loss, and beaten a BCS team in VT to boot...they're in over Bama and OSU. No doubt.

    No doubt? I'd say it's certainly debatable. I don't know if we pass Bama in that scenario. Considering OSU beat OU, how do we pass them? Remember, the human poll is what screwed OSU not the computers.

    All equally pointless since this is all "what if". But I'd say its far from certain that we'd get in.

    BigErn ●

  • 1.) Those fans who say "I dont wanna see us beat up on bad teams, I don't like watching cupcake games, blah blah blah"...Why do you feel that YOUR entertainment is more important than what's good for the team? Do you not think that someone won't snatch your seat up without thinking after a national championship, or at least a run or two? That's incredibly naive.

    Great discussion.

    The "team" doesn't exist in a vacuum. Without booster revenue to fund scholarships (in the absence of a fully-funded athletic endowment) and without season ticket holders generating revenue, the team as we know it doesn't exist. Can't pay coaches, can't maintain facilities, etc.

    We won a national title in 1999, lost the title game in 2000, played in 3 BCS games after that and STILL had 20,000 empty seats during a 30-0 beatdown by Wake in 2006.
    I've been a season ticket holder the entire time and there haven't been people waiting to "snatch" up my seats.

    Scheduling an additional FCS opponent marginally improves our chances of playing for a championship. If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I think there should be a greater premium placed on making the home schedule as attractive as is reasonably possible. Keep in mund that this discussion is taking place on a message board that represents a small fraction of the fanbase at large -- we're in the minority with our devotion to FSU.

    theFSUman


  • All that matters is that crystal. That's it. That's the end game. It doesn't matter how you got there. Win a championship, and there's no need for some silly "entertainment value" arguement. And those of you that "enjoy big games", well, I guess you'll be happy, because by scheduling smarter, you just got to watch FSU play for the national championship. Is that "big" enough?

    There are 120 or so FBS teams. 119 will not win "that crystal." Therefore, the other 119 better have a plan to keep the fanbase engaged and energized. That's particularly important at a place like FSU.

    An entertainment value argument isn't "silly". An entertaining product and enthusiastic donor base help fund scholarships, indoor practice facilities, etc.

    Winning a national title certainly meets the criteria of an "entertaining product", but even in the best case scenario we'll win one or two every 15 years. College football can be highly entertaining in the absence of a national championship, however.

    theFSUman

  • tricknole said...

    If you would look, I know you'd see multiple teams in the past 5 years that didn't play/beat an elite team in the early part of the season make it to the BCS CG. I'm not even including teams that were in contention for much of the year.

    If you think Wake ruined our season that's cool. And wrong. Wake didn't separate Manuel's shoulder. Don't see how we turn it over 5 times with a healthy, more experienced and non-rusty Manuel starting.

    The big non-conf game..if u win it, gives you collateral in case of a bad loss later on.

    VT schedules soft every yr, and every yr, they get beat in the bcs bowl game they play in, I am a bug believer in that you need to season your team.

    I would debate our teams in the late 80's were the best we ever had, because of their schedules.

    Pbenuncensored26482

  • So any concreate reason why they cancelled it?

    commoncents01 ●

  • Needed to make room for a B12 extra conf game, I assume.

    Pbenuncensored26482

  • You know, I was thinking. I know we are taking it rough. However, what if you were a WVU fan that already had financially invested in a road trip?

    Yes I know it is long enough for cancellations, but I would be pissed!

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  • Bud Elliot says it best on twitter

    TomahawkNation.com (@TomahawkNation)
    2/5/12 12:25 PM
    FSU got out of game it didn't want to play, got to play victim, got paid, and may sue for more all while keeping "anyone anywhere" image

    Mass Nole ●

  • theFSUman said...

    Great discussion.

    The "team" doesn't exist in a vacuum. Without booster revenue to fund scholarships (in the absence of a fully-funded athletic endowment) and without season ticket holders generating revenue, the team as we know it doesn't exist. Can't pay coaches, can't maintain facilities, etc.

    We won a national title in 1999, lost the title game in 2000, played in 3 BCS games after that and STILL had 20,000 empty seats during a 30-0 beatdown by Wake in 2006. I've been a season ticket holder the entire time and there haven't been people waiting to "snatch" up my seats.

    Scheduling an additional FCS opponent marginally improves our chances of playing for a championship. If you're doing a cost-benefit analysis, I think there should be a greater premium placed on making the home schedule as attractive as is reasonably possible. Keep in mund that this discussion is taking place on a message board that represents a small fraction of the fanbase at large -- we're in the minority with our devotion to FSU.

    You're basing your attendance argument off of the lowest point of FSU football in the last 10 years? Have you considered the fact that nobody has taken your seats because we've been relatively terrible since 1999? I bet you wouldn't have had problems getting rid of your seats back then, would you?

    Do you really maintain that scheduling one extra big BCS game a year will result in an appreciable amount of money? I would contend that a couple of BCS appearances and possibly a NC appearance would do MUCH more than one big game will.

    In reference to that big game, one of the biggest arguments is getting "left out" of a NC/BCS bowl because of the weak schedule. The fact that this is even an argument represents the fact that one game is a HUGE margin of error in today's modern college football (Just ask Stanford and Oklahoma State). I completely disagree with your "marginally improves" our chances of playing for a championship. If you go from a 99% chance of beating a team to a 50% chance, you've cost yourself a half a game right off the bat. What makes your margin of error (which include injuries, poor officiating, and THURSDAY NIGHT ROAD GAMES/SHORT WEEKS) THAT much smaller the rest of the season. If this were MLB, half a game is marginal. In college football, it is not.

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