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ESPN Roundtable on FSU

  • Top 20 Roundtable - Florida State - ESPN Video - ESPN

    ESPN Video: College Football Live's panel of experts preview Florida State's upcoming season.

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    seminoles_04

  • Pretty fair assessment.

    Nole27

  • No surprises.

    Pretty aware of what we've got. Sadly I agree that EJ is a talented athlete but still discouragingly raw. Hits a guy 50 yards downfield in stride, then throws one in the dirt to a TE that's all alone without a defender in sight.

    They mentioned not seeing who the next great skill player is. The All American we always had in the 90s. Peter Warrick, EJ Green, Warrick Dunn. Not sure we have one myself, but I would vote for Rashad Greene to probably be that next guy if there is one. I'd sure feel less nervous if Rashad would put on 15 pounds and look a little less like Clint Trickett though.

    Best defense in the country. Right on! Tons of praise for Stoops.

    Uptownjazznole

  • I don't think EJ is raw. I think he has reached is limits- it's just not what we expected.

    fsukum

  • fsukum said...

    I don't think EJ is raw. I think he has reached is limits- it's just not what we expected.

    I agree

    nolesfan73

  • I dont think EJ is raw either, but alot of his short comings were from being uncomfortable in the pocket because of the shoddy OLine play and being unhealthy. with an improved OLine EJ makes huge strides this year, and our schedule becomes even more of a cake walk

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    why_me

  • I think EJ will look much better with some stability in front of him. The guys of the round table mentioned that as well.

    StPete_Nole72037

  • St.Pete_Nole said...

    I think EJ will look much better with some stability in front of him. The guys of the round table mentioned that as well.

    Not to mention a reliable run game.

    Legio mihi nomen est, quia multi sumu [My name is Legion, for we are many.]

    Cuthbert

  • I think EJ would look better in an offense suited for him. He isn't a pocket passer. He runs the shotgun offense option well.

    fsukum

  • Heather Dinich said there is no way FSU leaves the ACC, lol, she also said Duke would beat us last year.

    gonoles1

  • Pretty spot on analysis. CFB coverage continues to be the only watchable stuff on ESPN.

    It's nice to see the defense, specifically the defensive line, get the recognition usually reserved for our board. This really could be the best unit on the nation.

    I disagree slightly about the lack of playmakers. I believe we have enviable skill position talent but poor OL play and our tendency to spread the ball around takes away from individual numbers.

    BigErn

  • fsukum said...

    I think EJ would look better in an offense suited for him. He isn't a pocket passer. He runs the shotgun offense option well.

    I think EJ would be a better suited QB in a Paul Johnson offense ILO of a Jimbo offense. Just my opinion. I'm excited to see how the QB's pan out this year as we may get to see CT and Coker with some playing time as well. I love CT but am really liking what I see from Coker.

    Dadgum, can't September get here already????pray

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    DAKOTANOLE

  • Hard to judge ej while playing behind a shit line

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    swizz

  • I am going to say this. Jimbo's offense does not showcase our play makers and their ability. I want Jimbo to open it up more. We have the chance to be the most explosive offense in the country with the talent and depth at RB, TE, and WR.

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    why_me

  • why me, Jimbo didn't trust the QB or OL to protect last year. I think he will have more confidence this year, however, defense is our strength, so you play to it.

    The biggest difference with this offense I believe will be in short yardage, now that our OL and RB's have more experience and we have some TE's that actually want to block.

    If the OL grows up and EJ can make simple zone reads in the running game and better decisions in the passing game, we could be playing on the last day.

    The DL just makes me biggrin

    canolee

  • btw, I think we have a lot of playmakers at WR this year.

    Rashad is a game breaker. You have size with Benjamin, Hot Rod and Willie.

    A great route runner/hands guy in Shaw. Emerging stars in Green and Dent.

    Add in the fasterst guy in college football in Bracey and that is a tough group to cover.

    canolee

  • DAKOTANOLE said...

    I think EJ would be a better suited QB in a Paul Johnson offense ILO of a Jimbo offense. Just my opinion. I'm excited to see how the QB's pan out this year as we may get to see CT and Coker with some playing time as well. I love CT but am really liking what I see from Coker.

    Dadgum, can't September get here already????pray

    EJ struggles with the basic zone read at times as a RS Jr. Additionally, he's not all that fast, and presents a big target. I just think type of attack is too involved, w too much decision making.

    IMO EJ is a square peg in a round hole offense. Poor kid has so much to worry about it seems like he forgets to relax and have fun. JMO

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    WillyDees

  • fsukum said...

    I don't think EJ is raw. I think he has reached is limits- it's just not what we expected.

    Sad, but I believe true fsukum. He's sometimes Brilliant but often erratic. It's put up or shut up time for the EEGE. I surely hope he puts up, as I really like this kid, and he for sure has the measureables. Perhaps someone at the next level can work out his kinks better, as he will not have to be a "Student Athlete", and can just concentrate on his throwing motion. That's not to say Jimbo and DC have not done a good job with him.....but at game speed, the same errors have occurred all throughout his time with us - so far. It's my hope and belief, he will perform much better with a seasoned, relatively injury free OL. I will say no more.

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    Nashnole

  • swizz said...

    Hard to judge ej while playing behind a shit line

    Absolutely.

    HBCU93

  • I think the evaluations of EJ are made with far too much certainty.

    It is not hyperbole to say he played behind one of the worst OLs any of us have ever seen in college football last year.

    Not saying that's Trickett's "fault"--it might be bad luck, whatever.

    You just can't judge a QB when his OL is that horrible.

    I know, people say his decision making is not a result of the OL. Well, yes, it is. With better OL play, EJ's decision making will be completely different.

    Will we get better OL play? I'm going to wait and see.

    googolplex

  • my take:

    -We can't be the best defense without better discipline. Having that attitude of knowing you have a better defense than the other team and you'll prove it. That's what pissed me off about the Clemson more than anything. We essentially "gave' them a touchdown based on penalties. Alabama's defense had like 3 penalties the entire NC game.

    -EJ will never be the pocket passer Jimbo wants him to be. Honestly, he's a slightly smaller version of Cam Newton physically. If they allowed him to be the two way Qb they recruited out of high school, he would be unbelievable. Trickett in the pocket just looks so much more comfortable.

    -The playmaker argument kind of goes hand in hand with EJ and the O-line holding up.

    This post was edited by seminolelive84 on 5/18/2012 at 9:28 AM

    seminolelive84

  • The analysis was spot on. We will have a great defense. I suspect the best d in the country.

    Its too bad they don't read this board or they would know our ol is going to be great and they were downvoted for questioning the greatness of the ol.

    i know downvoters, how dare robert smith say we were 104th in rushing-WE WERE 78TH. There is a whole lot of rushing greatness between 104 and 78.

    We were also 110 in pass protection.

    Very frustrating b/c even with an avg ol we run the table. Analysis about EJ was spot on. He has shown flashes but not enough consistency. However, as it was pointed out, it is tough to be an effective passer when your back is on the ground every time you drop back.

    I don't think they were not fair to freeman. I think he is an above avg back but with our ol you never get to see it. also, pender is a warrick dunn type as far as big play potential.

    I alos think they were underselling the big play potential of the wr's although the did state it is arugably the deepest wr corps in the country.

    I did agree that with our ol woes (which won't come close to being solved this, even if we are better on the ol), we should spread it outr a lot more. We have a deep wr corps, an ol that sucks, good backs in space and a qb that can run.,

    I hope if our ol can't get it done that we lose a game because of Jimbo's stubborness.

    Think about it: we are relying on a defensive convert at one tackle, what at the othet tackle, Oh wait, a guy (can we hope) who has played footballf or 4 months of his life and a center that was destroyed by legiot competition last year.

    Granted Strock probably moves back to center and Hart probably plays tackle but you get my point.

    The most deficient area on the tream is the ol. If we spread it out more it make the ol's job easier. Maybe by the end of the year they will be able tp ush everyone around and Watson will have enough of the playbook to matter.

    I mean really, who has the defensive personnel to cover, o learly, greene, green ,smith and pender of Benjami at the same time?

    Oh and have a spy on Ej?

    no one this side of the Ravens could do it.

    TNOLE27

  • It is the current belief of the coaching staff that with the talent we have, we should go straight through to the BCS title game as our bowl. With our easy schedule and as nice as it is set up (with off days being so perfectly placed), and with the ACC mostly down this year.. we should cruise to the bowl undefeated. That's not far-fetched, it's true. There's a LOT of experienced talent on the roster this year with a lot of depth. Many games we will win on nothing but talent alone.

    It's also the same collective view of the staff that it's up to them to basically "not screw it up".

    EJ is a concern, but our biggest "worry" should be that Jimbo is still the OC and calling the plays and making the gameplans. As much as people like the guy, his system is overly complicated and unnecessary and he's got a huge reputation for micromanaging. Many have begged Jimbo to "dumb it down" some and just let the athetes make plays... but it's not in Jimbo's DNA.

    We make excuses about O-Line this or Defense that and Injury this and Injury that - and it's true all that had an impact on both the players and the adjustments made.... but the truth to the big picture is that every year teams deal with that stuff.. and Jimbo's playcalling and adjustmends were mindboggling. With as many weapons as FSU has, they could never find their identity and that's on Jimbo.

    Each collective coaching staffs have their strengths and weaknesses. This is ours.

    This post was edited by satexas on 5/18/2012 at 11:27 AM

    satexas

  • satexas said...

    It is the current belief of the coaching staff that with the talent we have, we should go straight through to the BCS title game as our bowl. With our easy schedule and as nice as it is set up (with off days being so perfectly placed), and with the ACC mostly down this year.. we should cruise to the bowl undefeated. That's not far-fetched, it's true. There's a LOT of experienced talent on the roster this year with a lot of depth. Many games we will win on nothing but talent alone.

    It's also the same collective view of the staff that it's up to them to basically "not screw it up".

    EJ is a concern, but our biggest "worry" should be that Jimbo is still the OC and calling the plays and making the gameplans. As much as people like the guy, his system is overly complicated and unnecessary and he's got a huge reputation for micromanaging. Many have begged Jimbo to "dumb it down" some and just let the athetes make plays... but it's not in Jimbo's DNA.

    We make excuses about O-Line this or Defense that and Injury this and Injury that - and it's true all that had an impact on both the players and the adjustments made.... but the truth to the big picture is that every year teams deal with that stuff.. and Jimbo's playcalling and adjustmends were mindboggling. With as many weapons as FSU has, they could never find their identity and that's on Jimbo.

    Each collective coaching staffs have their strengths and weaknesses. This is ours.

    I'm with you on everything you said for the most part except the "excuse argument." Sure, teams deal with injuries, but name one that did, or could have dealt with that many to one segment. Should it have been that much of a disparity? Absolutely not. But for those who continue to disregard the impact that played into the run game, play calling, QB play, and overall record are, in my opinion, short changing the importance of a " functional" OL. Not here to assess blame on any one coach, as recruiting is a collaborative effort that starts and stops with the decision maker. It just baffles me that so many are so dismissive to what is more than merely an excuse.

    HBCU93

  • TNOLE27 said...

    Its too bad they don't read this board or they would know our ol is going to be great and they were downvoted for questioning the greatness of the ol.

    Upvoted ya!!! Reverse pscychology. Seriously though, agree with everything you said aside from the OL bashing.

    Nole27