Unconquered

Russell out of Wisconsin/NCState didn't go high because of his athletic profile, and he's twice the QB that EJ is... so I could agree, that the physical tools will allow EJ to draft higher than he otherwise would if it was based purely on his toolset and abilities.

EJ isn't accurate, at all. It's also my opinion that he has either a confidence issue, or isn't comfortable with the playbook... or likely a mix of both.

Now... back to my ORIGINAL point.... NFL draft aside... EJ is not currently one of the top 20 (or maybe 30) QB"s in COLLEGE FOOTBALL at this time.

... this doesn't mean I don't like the guy...I actually do.... But I'm just being honest.

Here's 22....

(In no particular order)

Matt Barkley, USC
James Franklin, Mizzou
Tyler Wilson, Arky
Keith Price, Washington
Geno Smith, WVU
Tajh Boyd, Clemson
AJ McCarron, Bama
Denard Robinson, Michigan
Riley Nelson, BYU
Collin Klein, Kansas State
Jordan Wynn, UTAH
Braxton Miller, Ohio State
Taylor Martinez, Nebraska
Alex Carter, WMU
Bryn Renner, NC
Aaron Murray, UGA
Munchie Legaux, Cinci
Casey Pachall, TCU
Landry Jones, OU
Clint Chelf, OKState
Mike Glennon, NCState
Tyler Bray, Tennessee

Just to be clear here... you're saying EJ will be a first round pick (top 30 is first round)?

Keep in mind, with our easy schedule and amount of senority/experience and talent, we'll be at-worst a 2-loss team (assuming no disasters).

... so let's assume we lost (at worst), one silly schedule game, and then lose our BCS game.... let's just ASSUME that....

You're saying he's a 1st rounder no-brainer and will go higher if we just have a loss... or top 4 picks if we're undefeated??????

I know his scrambling plus athletic profile (size, build, etc) will allow him to go "higher" than others would..... but I just can't see this.

Ok Satexas,

Since your so confident EJ isn't even in the top 20, enlighten us (in your world order,if you can prove your point, I dont think you can) as to the 20 QB's ahead of EJ. If you dont have the material to back-up your personal claim, I consider this a baseless opinion to stir a pot. Its your go. WERE WAITING...

PS)15 of those you listed arent even close to EJs level...

I did that... didn't you read it when you quoted it? Are you asking me to do a paragraph breakdown on each of those QB's? Are you serious?

Why would I want to "stir the pot"? I'm not known to make up opinions just to do that.

Each one of those QB's I listed has serious accolades and talents, and will easily just about make any real football fan's top20 list if they did even a basic level of research.

I do plenty of research and watch tons of football. EJ first full year was flawed. But that wasn't all on EJ. Any first year QB with a OL that bad and new group of receivers would have his mistakes. I am not an apologist for Ej by any means. But to say they are 20-30 Qb's better than him is absurd. I dont care what stats you throw out. I'll take EJ over alot of those guys any day. My question to you is do you really think Jimbo would put his faith in a guy thats not top 30 at his position? I mean honestly? Again Imma side with Jimbo not a guy from the message board.

First off, let's get over this "agenda" stuff. I've been posting on FSU boards for over 15 years under this same name, and I'm pretty known as both an optimist and a homer on a VARIETY of issues.

With EJ, I'm just being honest on my opinion. Why don't you "google" other experts top 20 College QB's around the country, and find out what they think is his average rank amongst his peers and get back to me. I have a pretty good feeling you're about to be "enlightened".

As for as your "reason" using Jimbo, that shows your bias like a beacon. Everyone views Jimbo Fisher as this "great QB coach", and while I don't think he's a bad one, it doesn't mean every QB he touches is gold. Ponder is still an "unknown" in the NFL, and Jamarcus Russell is in the same orbit to Ryan Leaf on the "notorious busts" lists.

Matt Flynn? His success came AFTER Jimbo had left LSU. (did you know that?)

Let's go a little further... does anyone think that last year, EJ improved from his previous years?

I honestly think your response, throwing Jimbo out there to justify EJ shows both a bias towards Jimbo and some non-objectivity towards FSU versus the rest of the country.

You said in no particular order. Im saying put them in order. 15 of your listed QBs arent even on the same wavelength.

Each one of those QB's is completely capable of being ranked ahead of EJ in CFB today. Each one.

You and I may disagree on some of those on the list, but if we were doing fantasy draft in CFB, each one of those is a legit case to be taken over EJ.

I can appreciate your wanting to back up your opinion with some names. I did the same thing and all my QBs were mentioned on your list.

I do, however, think you are terribly reaching with some names...Martinez is just terrible (even Nebraska fans hate him). Riley Nelson just completely average against those powerhouse defenses he faces week in and out. Braxton Miller? I know he's young, but good lord man...

And Crozea beat me to it. Clint Chelf couldn't even beat out a freshman for the starting job at Okie State. A freshman.

There are some good QB's, and I'd probably put Geno, Bray, Barkley, Wilson, Shoelace, Landry Jones, Aaron Murray, Bryn Renner, and McCarron over EJ, and there's a chance Mettenberger from LSU could end up there as well.

But some of the others? Man oh man...I laughed out loud at Taylor Martinez over EJ Manuel.

Yes, because in your world, QB's that aren't the starter yet, don't matter, don't have a higher potential and are immediately put at the "end of the proverbial QB list" before they hit the field, right?

Please.

I watch every few years how hard we hype and incoming QB and start comparing him or ranking him in comparison to the day's best QB's in the country. I remember all the pre-starter hype that Xavier Lee got.. and that Weatherford got... etc etc.

Flynn only played one year after Jimbo left right? so it's safe to say that while Jimbo didn't coach him that season, that he did develop him over the previous 3-4 years. Russell was a highly touted recruit that was developed into the #1 overall pick. Then the kid got extremely lazy and thought he could just show up and play against the elite of the elite. Ultimately thought, who was his qb coach that helped get him to #1?

as for EJ, idk. i thought he had the ability to really show out last season. the first two games, it was pretty obvious Jimbo wanted him to stay in the pocket and not show our hand to OU. what we didn't realize last year was just how awful that front 5 would be in terms of not only protecting him, but opening up some running lanes to take some pressure off of him. then he goes down with the injury and we know how things went from there. still though, EJ completed roughly 2/3's of his passes for over a 2:1 td/int ratio. give him back those 8 quarters he missed and he's got over 3000 yds and 20+ tds. not too shabby.

LOL,

I didn't open this can of worms to have to prove bud, you did. Yes, 15 of the arent even close but you started the "20 are better" so back it up.