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EJ Manuel listed as a top-30 prospect

  • 2013 NFL Draft: USC's Barkley, Woods among top 30 prospects | NFL.com

    Who are the players we will be talking about one year from now? Bucky Brooks takes an early look at 30 players to watch in college football next season, including Georgia pass rusher Jarvis Jones.

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  • Ray Ray!

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  • This list is extremely terrible

    Mass Nole ●

  • Mass Nole said...

    This list is extremely terrible

    These early lists are always laughably bad. This time last year Zebrie Sanders was a top 30 prospect and a first round draft pick.

    otown nole29245

  • No chance EJ is a top-30 player (NFL). In fact, I'm willing to debate if he's even a top-30 quarterback at this point (In CFB).

    /truth

    ... I know I'll get "hate" for this, but see me after the season, and tell me I'm wrong. I'll be willing to listen to every second of it and eat all of my words if he has a breakout season.

    FSU's upcoming season is REALLY simple, REALLY simple.... we're going to win all of our games, except those where EJ has a letdown or where Jimbo Fisher get's outcoached.. and I guarantee that's at least a loss. Should we somehow win all the games and get to the BCS or Champ game, we have to pray that neither Jimbo or EJ is the liability.

    Yes, it's that simple.

    /truth

    This post was edited by satexas on 4/30/2012 at 5:56 PM

    satexas

  • satexas said...

    No chance EJ is a top-30 player. In fact, I'm willing to debate if he's even a top-30 quarterback at this point.

    /truth

    ... I know I'll get "hate" for this, but see me after the season, and tell me I'm wrong. I'll be willing to listen to every second of it and eat all of my words if he has a breakout season.

    FSU's upcoming season is REALLY simple, REALLY simple.... we're going to win all of our games, except those where EJ has a letdown or where Jimbo Fisher get's outcoached.. and I guarantee that's at least a loss. Should we somehow win all the games and get to the BCS or Champ game, we have to pray that neither Jimbo or EJ is the liability.

    Yes, it's that simple.

    /truth

    You really have an odd way of posting...not even a top 30 QB? Dude you are completely wrong, he's not elite but he's certainly not average.

    Mass Nole ●

  • Mass Nole said...

    You really have an odd way of posting...not even a top 30 QB? Dude you are completely wrong, he's not elite but he's certainly not average.

    Ok.. you know what, you're right.... he's probably around #20 out of 117 QB's. On the HIGH end, maybe #15.

    Also, how is he not average? What exactly has he done? Before you answer that, imagine other QB's in the country on a team with this much talent in the backfield, in the receiving corps, with that defense to give them good field position and that special teams..... don't forget how the "supporting cast" can really make you look better before answering....

    ... but I stand by the rest of my post.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and I'm going to be rooting and praying my arse off..... but he just never developed and regressed last year. Also, depite what Jimbo was able to do with Ponder (he really developed him well), it hasn't worked for EJ and EJ's actually regressed. Most people blame injuries or the O-Line, but that's just not the truth.

    EJ's going to start this year, and should, because he still is our best odds although Trickett is going to surprise people and is finally putting on weight now that they have his disability under control.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by satexas on 4/30/2012 at 12:05 PM

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  • satexas said...

    Ok.. you know what, you're right.... he's probably around #20 out of 117 QB's. On the HIGH end, maybe #15.

    Also, how is he not average? What exactly has he done? Before you answer that, imagine other QB's in the country on a team with this much talent in the backfield, in the receiving corps, with that defense to give them good field position and that special teams..... don't forget how the "supporting cast" can really make you look better before answering....

    ... but I stand by the rest of my post.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and I'm going to be rooting and praying my arse off..... but he just never developed and regressed last year. Also, depite what Jimbo was able to do with Ponder (he really developed him well), it hasn't worked for EJ and EJ's actually regressed. Most people blame injuries or the O-Line, but that's just not the truth.

    EJ's going to start this year, and should, because we still is our best odds although Trickett is going to surprise people and is finally putting on weight now that they have his disability under control.

    He doesn't have to be any better than a top 20 QB for us to win all of our games. I'm completely fine if he plays average.

    Mass Nole ●

  • Kind of surprised Brandon isn't on that list

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  • satexas said...

    Ok.. you know what, you're right.... he's probably around #20 out of 117 QB's. On the HIGH end, maybe #15.

    Also, how is he not average? What exactly has he done? Before you answer that, imagine other QB's in the country on a team with this much talent in the backfield, in the receiving corps, with that defense to give them good field position and that special teams..... don't forget how the "supporting cast" can really make you look better before answering....

    ... but I stand by the rest of my post.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and I'm going to be rooting and praying my arse off..... but he just never developed and regressed last year. Also, depite what Jimbo was able to do with Ponder (he really developed him well), it hasn't worked for EJ and EJ's actually regressed. Most people blame injuries or the O-Line, but that's just not the truth.

    EJ's going to start this year, and should, because he still is our best odds although Trickett is going to surprise people and is finally putting on weight now that they have his disability under control.

    You should stick to posting Big 12 updates that no one cares about. People like you that try to undersell our guys to be "right" are just as bad as those overselling them.

    Similar people said Patrick Robinson would never be a first or second round pick and that Bradham would never even get drafted. Players develop. Plus, EJ already has comparable numbers to a number 12 overall pick you may be familiar with.

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  • EJ is most def a top 30 pick. With a 2 loss season and healthy, I'd put him in the top 20. 1 loss season, Top 11. Undefeated, Top 4.

    Jimbo has good contacts in the NFL and EJ has the intangibles.

    Go Noles!!!

    PS) Can't wait to see him on Gruden's QB Camp.

    This post was edited by DAKOTANOLE on 4/30/2012 at 1:49 PM

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  • satexas said...

    Ok.. you know what, you're right.... he's probably around #20 out of 117 QB's. On the HIGH end, maybe #15.

    Also, how is he not average? What exactly has he done? Before you answer that, imagine other QB's in the country on a team with this much talent in the backfield, in the receiving corps, with that defense to give them good field position and that special teams..... don't forget how the "supporting cast" can really make you look better before answering....

    ... but I stand by the rest of my post.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and I'm going to be rooting and praying my arse off..... but he just never developed and regressed last year. Also, depite what Jimbo was able to do with Ponder (he really developed him well), it hasn't worked for EJ and EJ's actually regressed. Most people blame injuries or the O-Line, but that's just not the truth.

    EJ's going to start this year, and should, because he still is our best odds although Trickett is going to surprise people and is finally putting on weight now that they have his disability under control.


    We lost 4 games, of which EJ missed 8 quarters.

    In two of those losses our D was terrible, and in the other two the D gave up late scoring drives that put the game away.

    Give EJ a line that can run the ball for more than 3ypc and a running back that can doesn't misread his cuts every other carry and EJ would be magically better.

    He doesn't need to be Cam Newton for FSU to be successful.

    We also spent most of last season throwing footballs to Shaw, Green, Greene, Dent, O'Leary. Those guys should become much better at running option routes and being on the same page as the QB with a year or two in the system.

    I would like to hear 15 other QBs that have better physical measurable's in next years draft?

    There aren't 15 other guys that are 6-4, 250 with a 4.5 40 time.

    This post was edited by rms02d on 4/30/2012 at 2:19 PM

    rms02d

  • satexas said...

    No chance EJ is a top-30 player. In fact, I'm willing to debate if he's even a top-30 quarterback at this point.

    /truth

    ... I know I'll get "hate" for this, but see me after the season, and tell me I'm wrong. I'll be willing to listen to every second of it and eat all of my words if he has a breakout season.

    FSU's upcoming season is REALLY simple, REALLY simple.... we're going to win all of our games, except those where EJ has a letdown or where Jimbo Fisher get's outcoached.. and I guarantee that's at least a loss. Should we somehow win all the games and get to the BCS or Champ game, we have to pray that neither Jimbo or EJ is the liability.

    Yes, it's that simple.

    /truth

    a lot of truth in this statement... don't know if I would say EJ is outside of the top 30 QB's but he certainly hasn't proven that he belongs near the top of that list. Somewhere between 20-30 I would say at this point and that's only because of his size and ability to run.

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  • DAKOTANOLE said...

    EJ is most def a top 30 pick. With a 2 loss season and healthy, I'd put him in the top 20. 1 loss season, Top 11. Undefeated, Top 4.

    Jimbo has good contacts in the NFL and EJ has the intangibles.

    Go Noles!!!

    PS) Can't wait to see him on Gruden's QB Camp.

    dude you are smoking crack if you think EJ is a top 30 pick...

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    SmokinJoeP

  • satexas said...

    Ok.. you know what, you're right.... he's probably around #20 out of 117 QB's. On the HIGH end, maybe #15.

    Also, how is he not average? What exactly has he done? Before you answer that, imagine other QB's in the country on a team with this much talent in the backfield, in the receiving corps, with that defense to give them good field position and that special teams..... don't forget how the "supporting cast" can really make you look better before answering....

    ... but I stand by the rest of my post.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and I'm going to be rooting and praying my arse off..... but he just never developed and regressed last year. Also, depite what Jimbo was able to do with Ponder (he really developed him well), it hasn't worked for EJ and EJ's actually regressed. Most people blame injuries or the O-Line, but that's just not the truth.

    EJ's going to start this year, and should, because he still is our best odds although Trickett is going to surprise people and is finally putting on weight now that they have his disability under control.

    I notice that your accolades fail to include the OL. I'm not an expert, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they may/may not play a role in how well a QB fares.

    IMO CJF needs to figure out who the #2 guy is, be that Coker or Trickett, and get them as much burn as possible so he can turn EJ's legs loose. Ej w/ the ability to run/throw is a whole different animal from "EJ sit your azz in the pocket and be Tom Brady till death".

    levynole

  • satexas said...

    Ok.. you know what, you're right.... he's probably around #20 out of 117 QB's. On the HIGH end, maybe #15.

    Also, how is he not average? What exactly has he done? Before you answer that, imagine other QB's in the country on a team with this much talent in the backfield, in the receiving corps, with that defense to give them good field position and that special teams..... don't forget how the "supporting cast" can really make you look better before answering....

    ... but I stand by the rest of my post.

    Don't get me wrong, I like the guy, and I'm going to be rooting and praying my arse off..... but he just never developed and regressed last year. Also, depite what Jimbo was able to do with Ponder (he really developed him well), it hasn't worked for EJ and EJ's actually regressed. Most people blame injuries or the O-Line, but that's just not the truth.

    EJ's going to start this year, and should, because he still is our best odds although Trickett is going to surprise people and is finally putting on weight now that they have his disability under control.

    You are wrong about this. But we shall all see in a few short months.
    A better offensive line and playing free of a shoulder injury and a broken leg just might do wonders for him.
    Add in a little running game and more experienced wide receivers and I believe you are going to see a whole different offense [you do realize this is a team sport, right?].
    Where will EJ go in the draft? Don't know, but I bet there aren't going to be 10 QBs ahead of him.

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  • If they are putting him that high it must have more to do with projections and not his history. I like EJ but he does not win games for us. He just needs to be sure not to lose them. IMO.

    tmsmith2

  • "People blame injuries or the OLine, but that is just not the truth."

    Gotta love stating opinions as facts.

    I could develop a much better argument as to why it is the truth as opposed to anyone's argument saying E.J. is not a top 20 QB.

    I don't think E.J. is elite or great, but he is without a doubt in the top 20. There are very few knocks on E.J., people just like to exaggerate them to make the seem terrible. He may make bad decisions some times, but more often than not, he his decision making is better than 80% of the QB's out there.

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  • There's no way EJ's stock drops from where it is now based on 2012 since he's a 2nd year/returning starter at QB and 80% of the OL returns... plus schedule.

    tlhwg ●

  • SmokinJoeP said...

    dude you are smoking crack if you think EJ is a top 30 pick...

    No, I'm not smoking crack.

    But I also believe it's partly sunny and not partly cloudy......EJ can draft high. Time will tell.

    Go Noles!

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    DAKOTANOLE

  • SmokinJoeP said...

    dude you are smoking crack if you think EJ is a top 30 pick...

    Dude you are smoking crack if you think Ryan Tannehill is a top ten draft pick.

    otown nole29245

  • DAKOTANOLE said...

    EJ is most def a top 30 pick. With a 2 loss season and healthy, I'd put him in the top 20. 1 loss season, Top 11. Undefeated, Top 4.

    Jimbo has good contacts in the NFL and EJ has the intangibles.

    Go Noles!!!

    PS) Can't wait to see him on Gruden's QB Camp.

    I don't think his draft status hinges on our season win totals. Guys who have won big in college don't get drafted because they don't have measurables.

    He's got plus measurables. Now scouts want to see him put it all together on the mental side. That's the biggest thing holding him back from being a first-third round selection (which I personally think he will be).

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    nolesfan8

  • EJ has the prototype NFL body and has a better record than Josh Freeman did

    GO NOLES! / SCALP EM!

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  • You guys will soon learn about discussing FSU football with an aTm fan

    WarDogCG58

  • WarDogCG58 said...

    You guys will soon learn about discussing FSU football with an aTm fan

    What does that even mean? I've forgotten more FSU football than you even know. Why these childish rants? Why can't you just "Discuss" the debate at hand without acting like you're 12.

    I've been posting on NoleDigest for the last 15 years. You apparently have no idea with whom you're talking to and would rather just act childish for reasons unknown. Did I piss in your cheeries once and you're still crying about it years later? Did you get beat up a lot in highschool and now your acting out for self-esteem reasons?

    This post was edited by satexas on 4/30/2012 at 5:31 PM

    satexas

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