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I was talking with a close friend and former roommate at FSU and he was just so unhappy with the loss to NCST and multiple other games we won like VT and USF.
I don't get it.
At the start of the year wasn't the most common prediction 2-3 losses with a slip up to a team we should have beaten and an ACC title birth?
We're 9-1 and a last second play away from undefeated. We're very likely to win the conference and make a BCS bowl.
This year has been a great success so far to me, I don't understand all this negativity.
Were up 20 late in the 4th on usf and they scored a garbage time TD, we win by 13. That's a good win, but people are complaining about struggling with that game among others.
We need to be enjoying this year, we're top 10 for crying out loud!
Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or it may last a year. But eventually, it will subside. If i quit, however it will last forever.
For one, we seem to be making the same mistakes week after wekk after week. We're struggling against teams that we should blow off the map, teams like USF, VT, Miami. All that "keeping it close" bites us in the azz against a very average to poor NCST team.
The ACC is BY FAR the worst conference in college football this year, a complete joke. Yet we lost when we should have rolled right through this league. Hell, our conference is so bad that we lose spots in the AP and the BCS polls after we win!!
High expectations for a Natty + horrible, heartbreaking loss = irrational thought. Now, I would see the season being a success if FSU beats a comparable UF team, beating UM in the prestigious ACCCG, and a blowout in the Orange. If any one of these three don't happen then we can see upset posts leading up to the fall.
My greatest problem is the lack of growth in this team throughout the year.
+1 While I am not really mad some of the coaching errors just seem to continue popping up at the worst times which continue to haunt this team. Throw in the fact on the road something in the game day plan needs to be changed you have some fans that are upset. I love our record don't get me wrong but there is so much room for improvement from a HC perspective and lack of a true OC it is holding this team back IMO.
I'd like for you to expound on that.
I'd say unrealistic expectations. We're looking at a conference championship for the first time since 2005, BCS bowl for first time since then, and a strong shot at a 13-1 or 12-2 finish. The majority of win shares put this team at 10-2 RS on TN, and we're ahead of pace for that. We're one of the best defenses in the country. Our offense has become explosive, our senior QB has made tremendous progress from his disappointing junior year, and have the same record against 10-17 point dogs as Nick Saban.
The perspective of a mid season look isn't the same as a pre or post season look. We'll probably be much happier with the result than the process, which is backwards.
Our fans have fairytale like memories of our Dynasty era.
For the last three " Fisher " years recruiting has been great. Last year we were supposedly ready to play for the MNC although Jimbo said we were still one year away. He was right. This year was supposed to be our year and
we have played like a yo-yo all year long. One good game or two, then we play like crap. After this year we lose our senior quarterback and various other talented individuals, some to the NFL. The fact is three years ago Jimbo became head coach and has been learning how to be a Head Coach just like any high school freshman who started to college. If you are truly happy with the way this year has turned out, what do you see for FSU next year ??? If the latest bowl predictions are correct, are you happy that we get to play either Louisiana Tech or Louisville while Clumpson gets an at-large bid and plays the Crimson Tide ??? Yes, this has been a good year from a 2001 to 2009 perspective. However, why not let the rest of us who expected more, although we can't change the NCST result, get over this in our own way ???
Shouldn't fans always expect more?
"Sometimes when you bring the thunder, you get lost in the storm." -Kenny Powers
That's just the way the bowls feel this year.
Orange bowl is a BCS bowl.
Yes, I'll be happy when we get there, even if we play Presbyterian College for the Elderly.
Sure, just like the Boosters should expect more money from you $$$.
You upping the ante?
We should have destroyed every team we played the same way we did BC. These teams are not good, and we are playing down to their level almost every single week. We should be looking like a BAMA/Oregon hybrid against these teams, yet we look like garbage. We see how these inferior teams beat up on eachother every week, with athletes we wouldn't even dare recruit, yet when our game comes, we have to scratch and claw to gain yardage, or execute the simplest of tasks. The playcalling is terrible at times and makes you want to rip your hair out as well.
There was absolutely no reason for us to lose to NCST. Jimbo laid a giant egg, went into a shell and forgot to use proper personnel like he did all the time in the past.
I will certainly be, and am more than overjoyed at the thought of a 12 win season, but the way we play against our division opponents sometimes, i have my doubts in the ACCCG. We should be undefeated, and heading towards an undefeated season, no questions asked.
Get over it any damn way you like, just don't throw up on the rest of us.
1. Little improvement in road performance overall. We could go through everything from all the road games, but we all know what that means. Comeback win? That is why I said a little & not none.
2. How many teams would be at least 9-1 with our schedule? Honestly, probably 12-15.
Look at an awful team like Miss st. They could easily be 9-1 with this schedule. So does 9-1 with this schedule mean very much ? No, not with other teams being used as the point of reference.
This post was edited by TNOLE27 17 months ago
Comes down to competition level. When you know how bad the teams are that we are playing it makes the success seem a little different. Many of us want out of the ACC but it's almost like we wouldn't survive anywhere else right now.
Little improvement over what seasons?
12-15? Well gee, we're one of the top 15 then.
Miss St is loaded with athletic talent, yet on the road beat powerhouse Troy 30-24, and 1-9 Kentucky 27-14.
Mississippi State would be 6-3.
You have fallen into the trap of thinking that because the ACC is bad, it is D2 bad.
Your arguments are shallow.
Please, we would be just fine in other leagues. (1) The ACC is comparable to the Pac-10 and Big Ten this year. (2) If our complaint is that we play to the competition level of our opponents, then it shouldnt matter who we play right? It would be close whether we were playing the Almighty SEC or the lowly ACC.
People forget that our dynasty years contained many of the same type of games we had this year. We didnt blow everybody out. In fact, we often won many "close" games in the fourth quarter after just wearing the other side down. I see the same things everyone else does, and wish we would play better, but the fact of the matter is that every team this year outside of Kansas State (and Oregon) has struggled numerous times. We need to fix our road troubles and we will be just fine.
It's simple: people react emotionally to how reality compares with expectations, not how reality just is.
This team is very good. It is going to be the ACC champion and probably win a BC'S bowl. I think it will beat UF.
But it virtually NEVER exceeds expectations. It has dominated zero times on the road. It has NEVER surprised us with an unexpectedly strong performance while several times surprising us with a weak one. It has exactly one impressive win against a good team, Clemson. It has only dominated when playing horrible teams at home.
It has a better-than-expected record against a worse-than-expected conference. The ACC this year is one of the worst major conferences in football history. It is dreadfully lacking in good teams. It has exactly 2 decent teams, one of which has one of the worst defenses anyone has ever seen.
There are plenty of reasons to be happy, but FSU fans want to see the team look impressive against good teams, and there's been disappointingly little of that. In the ACC, that opportunity is already rare, while the opportunity to look surprisingly unimpressive against bad teams comes almost every week. FSU did the former once, while doing the latter in every single road game.
I agree that logic suggests we should be thrilled. I had us with 3 losses, and now I honestly believe we will finish with just the one.
But I want to see us look impressive, and it's dishonest to suggest that we've done that very often, except against truly miserable, horrible teams, and only at home--which isn't really impressive at all.
The memory of the dynasty contributes. Back then, we looked good against decent teams. We'd go up to UNC or NCSU--minor bowl teams--and get comfortable, 41-17-type wins. Not this year.
Again, not saying its logical to be disappointed. It's not logical. It's just human, because aside from the 9-1 record, many expectations have not been met. It's just that those expectations are harder to quantify.
I just don't see it that way. I have seen too many good teams that for one reason or another turn in lackluster performances over the years.
We were up 20 points at USF, up 16 at NCS before we went into prevent (let's not discuss refs), put Miami away after a start where our played were amped, and we went into Lane stadium where 3 teams have won in the last 5 years and came out with a victory.
This is without Brandon Jenkins who was supposed to be a big part of the "expectations" and his injury caused many to go "uh oh". And in Blacksburg without Chris Thompson, our most explosive back.
You're entitled to your opinion, but with the lone exception of NCS, reality does not agree.
I will add that having expectations just met, and nothing more, is not very exciting. When you go to Vegas, you expect, or should expect, to lose some money. When exactly that happens, how exciting is that?
Against this particular ACC conference, we probably have a right to expect exactly 9 and one, nothing more nothing less.
This post was edited by googolplex 17 months ago
At, all your points are well taken. In fact, listening to you say those things makes me feel better about the team. I guess I am merely pointing out that human psychology is what it is. Not for everyone, but for many.
I am one of those FSU fans who was sitting in the stadium in Columbia, South Carolina, in 1988. We went there fearing a close game, possibly even a loss. Of course, everyone knows that FSU won 59 to nothing. Do you think that affects me as a fan to this day? You bet it does. Nothing feels better than watching your team dominate unexpectedly. And it's the unexpectedness that's most important.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by googolplex 17 months ago
And I'd love to see that.
It just doesn't always happen.
And if it did, expectations would adjust accordingly, and we'd be right back where we started
I will list them:
Just for the record, Miss st is not a legit top 30 team. So the fact we are not as bad as Miss at means what? As to Kentucky, explain the UGA game if the mildcats are not in the NCST class.
4. Miss st
7. USC jr
4. Texas Tech
2. Ore st
5. USC sr
1. Oh St
Maybe Michigan as well
As to any trap, kentucky would give NC ST a game. As previously stated, Kentucky played toe to toe with UGA. However let's take miss st away. I still have almost 1/2 the SEC that could duplicate our feat.
How many of the teams listed would be 10-0 because they actually show up on the road? More than 1/2 of them. Probably most of them.
So we have a schedule where almost 15,teams would be 10-0. Now do you understand why some of us are not elated about sitting @ 9-1. It is better than being 8-2. However, if another team was 9-1 with this schedule and terrible play road game after road game not one of us would be impressed.
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