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I like Trickett and all, but barring injuries to Coker and Winston, no way he starts. I'm sorry, but Winston and Coker are actually the size of a D1 QB and both can run effectively. I am pulling for either, preferably Winston though. He has it, and if today's baseball game is any indication, the fan base wants him to start as well. I just hope whoever has it isn't afraid to adjust and can hit open guys short, deep, and in between
Winston. For obvious reasons.
OK. Since you didn't like this and down voted it. I'll say it again so's you can hit it again.
1. Clint Trickett.
2. Jamie's Winston.
3. Jacob Coker.
4. Sean McGuire.
Now, my list is NOT how i expect it to play out but close. What is your objection to this. Care to go public with your fears?
I like that each offers a different set of skills. I think Coker or Winston has the most upside and only need to gain CJF's trust. Coker foot injury hampers his ability to grab the spot and appears Winston is making the most of his opportunity. I'm impressed that Winston is handling baseball and football at the same time. He appears to just be enjoying everything. Trick knows where to dish the rock but in college if a Qb that can make a play or extend a play, it makes the D play much more conservative.
Maybe if CT weighed 25lbs more but thats not really his fault, but looks inferior back their until he lights up the defense.
This post was edited by WartimesLegend 15 months ago
Not really "rooting" for anyone.
I think it would be fantastic if Jameis wins the battle though, because if he does, he is much further along than I thought.
Jimbo doesn't just hand it over.
I'm hoping Winston takes the job, but im expecting Trickett to start.
Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or it may last a year. But eventually, it will subside. If i quit, however it will last forever.
What QB battle!? It's all Jameis!
This post was edited by napoleon 15 months ago
The Future is Now.
That being said I HOPE Jameis runs away with it.
I'm rooting for Winston, the kid just seems to have the talent and the intangibles to be a good player even in his 1st year starting.
I root for all FSU players. Will let the coaches do their job and make the decision on who plays when.
Whichever one of the young guys gives us the best chance to win long term. I suspect it is Jameis (gotta love WINston) but Coker is a great player too. He won me over in that 1 play last year when he took out the defender. I'm not writing off Maguire either.
CT has been a nice backup but I just don't see him as a starter and think going with the youth movement would really pay off this season and next.
Unless Trickett is just overwhelmingly better i think you gotta start Jaboo....He has the potential for greatness
There are really only 2 logical answers to this question: Winston & Maguire. Any fan would want the youngest guys on the team to also be the most talented - so you get as many great years as possible. Who in their right mind would say they'd rather our RS Jr be better than our RS Fr? As a fan, of course we want a RS Fr to be amazing, and start for 4 years.
Unless you have some other motivation, like being friends with Trickett. In that case, obviously you'd cheer for a friend.
Personally, I'm not cheering for any of the 4, whoever Jimbo picks is good with me. I hear CT is still in the driver's seat, and I'm not surprised - he's been in the system the longest. That said, I'll be very pleasantly surprised if one of our younger guys unseats the guy with a head start. I can only pray that we have talent that outshines experience, and I'm sure the rest of you are doing the same.
I see what you did there....
Thanks, but I can't take the credit. Others used it ITT previously.
My question, is can science provide a better answer than a football coach observing in practice?
I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts, we could devise scientific test that could consistently make more accurate choices than football coaches.
Variable = Athleticism (acceleration time, agility, coordination, etc)
Variable = Competitiveness (desire to be the best, amount of work)
Variable = Consistency (able to perform at high levels, for extended periods of time)
Variable = Arm Strength (distance, release time)
Variable = Ability to make correct snap judgement (mental tests, use materials most familiar with subjects)
Variable = Ability to perform under pressure (stress tests)
Short of the wonderlic, the NFL is really soft with their mental aptitude tests... choosing to use physical measurables instead. But with a QB, IMHO, the mental measurables are the only thing that matters once the minimum qualifications are met...
This post was edited by FsuFanForever 15 months ago
I'd be willing to bet against you, in the short term. There are too many un-measurable variables, which makes science fail. Along the same lines, you can build a poker bot that beats the low stakes games, but can't compete with the pros.
Science is great when everything is known (chess), but not great with many variables. Machine learning is amazing also, but you need massive data to train the machine with. I suspect there aren't enough quarterback battles that happen to correctly train the machine. Also, outcomes don't necessarily support findings, making it worse. Say you observe 2 QBs during practice and you take the outcomes of plays to determine who starts, what outcome do you look for? It takes two to complete a pass. It would be pretty hard to separate bad throws from bad route running or lazy attempts to catch the ball - or a bad throw that was still caught (false positive).
Definitely an interesting idea for the future. If you could feed what you're looking for into a computer and then have the computer rate how well you did against that plan, while taking into account other vars (e.g. this olineman fell down, the QB didn't make the planned pass, but instead dodged a defender and ran for a td), you might have some interesting data.
I'd think the NFL has the ability to create a practice facility that incorporates the same exact variables, occuring at the same exact percentage, using 3D modeling and a grid to measure the physical responses and ball placement.
Once you have this, you just measure their starting point and improvements in timed intervals, which should allow you to accurately predict their ceiling using a calculus function.
God, I want to try it.
And none of these would simulate in-game expected (and especially unexpected) conditions.
You would have the best practice QB if all of your variables were measured correctly.
THIS ABOUT SUMS IT UP FOR ME!
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