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Here are m thoughts on this. Rick is a very good coach that gets the most out of the players that he has. Now as for his recruiting thats a different story. The above post says that Jimbo and the rest of the staff needs to help him. However we recruit by area. So they are helping him. The reason that it is so hard to recruit OL is because of trickett not his recruiting.
How do you sell to a parent that they want their son playing for a man who is cussing all the time. Especialy when you compare it to the uga coaching staff.
Also how do you sell to a recruit "hey come here and you can wake up early in the morning and run 5 miles and then go practice"
Then if you sell one but not the other you still lose. It takes a very special type of Lineman to play for trickett and a lot of the top HS prospects just dont want to work that hard.
Just my $.02
Dropping knowledge!! I think the running game has potential to be much more dynamic this year. I think we will use IZ as our go to as you eluded to, clearly Wilder and Freeman's strength. I also think we can have a decent amount of success running OZ with the combo of Pender and Green. I'm pretty damn excited about our ground game potential.
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We used IZ fairly successfully against UF a couple times. Still don't know why we didn't use it more when Floyd blew up every OZ run. Maybe Jimbo didn't want to keep EJ under center.
And yup. We were a good running team this year, I think we can be dominant next year if a RT shows up. Please, please work your ass off Bobby Hart.
996, great post. I never have played football, and that was educational. That is the kind of discussion I wish these boards were full of, rather than the more usual insinuations that someone is a bad fan for asking probing questions of our schemes, personnel, etc. Thanks for that.
996, good post.
Do you think Wilder and to a greater degree Freeman lack the patience, vision and burst to run outside zone? I would think this is where Pender and Green could help out most. I get the feeling Freeman is a volume guy and needs a lot of touches to get in a groove, which is the case with a lot of backs.
As for the outside zone, if a defense runs to the sideline(Floyd was beating us outside, as did a GT DT and VT with slants) that is where the running back has to find a cut back lane and why the backside blocks are as important as the playside blocks. With the zone scheme, you are supposed to use the defenses aggressiveness against itself. In theory, it's supposed to limit negative plays because you aren't responsible for a specific man and should be able to account for movement(stunts and blitzes) but even Oregon, who runs this offense better than anyone, gets hit for a lot of losses when they run outside zone, because they are basically telling you what they are going to run with their alignment. If the back is to the right and even to the QB, it will be outside zone left. If he is to the right and behind the QB, it will be inside zone left and visa versa. Although, they can run speed option right as well as misdirection with the QB and play action, which should keep the defense somewhat honest.
I'd actually like to see more power blocking schemes with the Spread like the 49ers do. You need a few good blocking TE's(we are getting there) but it allows you to convert more of the short yardage plays IMO, something we still need to improve on. But it will depend on who wins the QB battle.
If Bobby can't handle RT then Stork most likely moves out and Barron runs Center. If I remember correctly, Watson, Hart and Stork were battling for RT at one point last fall
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I think Freeman and Wilder both have good days and bad days. There's plays where I see Wilder run and think "man, this guy's already a star", then sometimes he leaves you shaking your head. Freeman can dance a little too much on his off days. Either way, both definitely run downhill better. Pender and Green both project as having the cutback ability and speed to run well both downhill and laterally.
Re: OZ - penetration can blow up OZ easily, and there's just some angles where it's going to be difficult for a C to reach a 0 or playside 1. We did run quite a bit more power, counters, counter trey, etc from gun later in the season. We also ran a lot of 20/21 personnel and ran opposite direction with Lonnie. We evolved to a fairly robust set of run plays from gun to suit EJ.
I think the offense can take a step forward next year despite (what I assume will be) less consistent QB play because of an experienced OL. We're likely to see an offense based on IZ with vertical PA, as Coker/Winston have shown greater accuracy in passes 20+ yards downfield. Trickett's offense would look remarkably similar to EJ's because he has a fairly weak arm and has shown inaccuracy on longer passes as well.
Given my assumption that either Winston or Coker will do enough to earn the job, I think the offense will fit the strengths of the RBs and WRs better.
996, I'm with you on some of those reach blocks we ask our Centers to make. Against a good DT, they are virtually impossible, especially if they are slanting to the B gap(Outside). At that point, if he has to give ground in order to get the angle, why not just gap down with the OG and pull Stork to the playside on the OZ?
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Guys, this is a great thread. Do not kill it, or any other, with elementary school level nicknames of our players.
"...just played physical football. That's Florida State football. That's the standard from now on! It never goes back!" - Jimbo Fisher
... and then "Fahrenkrap" was written.
The pin and pull! Bama runs a ton of this.
It may be on Stork for not making calls on OZ correctly, too.
I think that these issues will be somewhat neutralized next year. We don't look like we're going to see any teams with explosive DTs. We're also going to run a lot more IZ. Those factors, on top of having a simply more experienced OL, will help.
Even RTs defenders concede serious liabilities.
At any other position, if you heard Jimbo was thinking of bringing in someone who was known as a very good coach but who was a poor recruiter and had spotty rapport with kids, running off a good chunk of players, and who specialized in turning borderline D-1 players into somewhat serviceable players, every last one of us would say "Do not want. We can and should do better."
We have on the staff an obvious liability, and we just live with it--nothing can or will ever be done to fix it. It really is similar in many ways to the Jeff Bowden situation, except that RT is a competent football intellect.
How different would things be if we were able to sign, say, 6 two and three star OL every year, with the occasional high profile guy? If we pulled in a lot of the Trickett specials, odds would have to be in our favor at some point that we'd be able to field a good line by (dare I say it) oversigning. Yes or no?
It is definitely troubling that we signed only 3 guys this year (Klepal doesn't count), regardless of their ranking.
I think what I want at OL is what we've had with every last other Jimbo Fisher hire--a guy who can coach and recruit. It can't be that hard to find, since Jimbo finds exactly that every time he hires somebody.
I'll tell you one thing about my generation and the generations afterwards....that kills my confidence in Trickett's ability to ever improve on his recruiting.
Women's rights (which I completely agree with), increased social accountabiltiy, and the drastic change in what is acceptable in the home life... has made most under 30-years old men unlikely to tolerate a drill sergeants way of teaching...
This salty, scream, cuss, throw a fit, get in their face...teaching style is fading quickly. No one cares if your parents beat you or how hard you had it growing up... no one cares if it created an inability to communicate without losing your frigging mind. No one cares if you are a hard worker, and have the most amount of knowledge about what you are doing.... the days of people avoiding you and looking the other way are over.
For better or worse, (and don't get me wrong it's some of both... because guys now are A LOT more pu$$ified).... the males in USA are becoming a lot more sensitive/emotional... and a lot less... salty and able to withstand emotional abuse.
The football field may be the last bastion to let go of this... but inevitably, it will have no choice... as coaches like Trickett find themselves in a position where recruiting kids who will tolerate them = damn near impossible.
Pete Carroll was AHEAD of his time... and that personality of coach will THRIVE with recruits from here on out.
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