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Was just about to post something about this, will be interesting if this happens.
Been posted a hundred times. Got to see it happen.
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All that matters to FSU fans is whether this would be the tipping point for the demise of the ACC... which would be good news for FSU because it would start a feeding frenzy of the top ACC teams.
If UNC levaes, I would assume that their departure would signal the end for the ACC. In that scenario, I think UVA to the Big 10, nc state and Virginia tech to the SEC, and fsu, Clemson, Miami, and Georgia tech to the big 12 with a possible addition of Louisville and ND down the road.
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I like that scenario, Big12 conference would be rocking. Duke would go where?
It would be sad to lose Virginia and NC recruiting grounds though.
Its an article written about something that happened 4 months ago? Im debby downer on this, the guy from 247's baylor board got me all hyped up and excited back then.... his prophecies have proven to be sketchy, even if he was being honest
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maybe duke will join the catholic seven for basketball?
Not necessarily. The B1G is rumored to covet Virginia and Georgia Tech also. If UNC left, it's likely that those two schools would go with them. That would bring the B1G to 17 teams. Presumably, the B1G would want at least 18 schools to round out the numbers. Seems logical that they'd look to Duke, given the additional of UNC and the importance that the B1G places on academics and basketball. Then things really get interesting. The B1G could stand pat at 18, or it could expand to 20 and become the first superconference (which many claim is the real endgame). If the B1G decides to expand to 20, the most valuable school left on the table is FSU. We don't have the academic profile that the B1G wants, but we're a national brand that would give them a coveted presence in Florida and certainly increase their profile/credibility in football. Seems reasonable to think that they'd overlook our "flaws."
So assuming the B1G wants to go to 20 teams and invites FSU, would we chose the B1G over the Big 12? Don't automatically say no. We'd make a lot more money in the B1G. In fact, we'd surpass all SEC teams (including UF) in money made from conference affiliation. That's money that can be poured into facilities improvements and coaching salaries. Can you imagine FSU, with all its natural recruiting advantages, suddenly having the ability to outspend our regional competitors?
I would assume the schools left out (Duke, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake Forest, Boston College) would join with other Big East schools and form a more basketball oriented conference.
There may be a scenario where Duke comes to the Big 12 in place of maybe Louisville or even Miami which allows the Big 12 to keep North Carolina in play for recruiting and expands the footprint as Miami doesn't add any TV markets assuming FSU covers the Miami market.
In another, more ideal scenario, the Big 12 grabs FSU, Clemson, NC State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame. This adds some substantial markets (South Florida, Central Florida, North Florida, Charlotte, DMV, Atlanta, Indianapolis, Chicago, and maybe New York) as well as improving the conference dramatically in football.
Where's the UNC chatter coming from?
As much as I dislike things about the acc, this would be an awful position for FSU. We would lose tons of leverage during any kind of negotiation with the Big 12 or other conference. No options is a bad negotiating position.
What leverage do we have now and what leverage would we need? Once the ACC tips, FSU will be scarfed up. Too much value.
This post was edited by fsukum 14 months ago
As long as someone else other than the Big 12 wants FSU, it's actually not a bad position at all. Any other conference interested (B1G, SEC) would be a more formidable option than the ACC as is anyway. Even though technically we would HAVE to find a new conference instead of waiting in the ACC, if there are multiple suitors (and I think there will be), we'll be in the catbird seat.
The difference is in no ACC at all vs. the ACC right now. We have the option of sitting in the ACC and biding our time, while not generating much $. We don't actually have much leverage at all because the ACC sucks and everyone knows we need/want out.
We are a nationally recognized program, though, with prestige. That means conferences will want us.
This post was edited by andy88c 14 months ago
We have leverage against the BIG12 right now because we have the option to sit still and wait for and offer from the B1G and the SEC. If the ACC folds then we lose that leverage and we have to make a decision now. Im not sure if thats what he was trying to say but thats how i see it.
True but if the ACC folds then the 52 million buyout threat goes away as well which imo is a bigger deal.
I still don't see where the leverage is. We're not holding out for more money, we'd get equal sharing regardless of if we make the move now or after/if the ACC falters.
The leverage is in time. While the ACC holds we do not have to move and can wait for an offer from the 2 conferences i mentioned. Which would be our top 2 choices. If those 4 teams leave the ACC it is dead. We then dont have the time and would jump to the BIG12.
It's pretty clear we're not leaving until the ACC fumbles and that may be why the Big 10 is in this power-play. If they can crumble the ACC, the big dog (FSU) will be available (SEC may be waiting on that too- want need to shell out buy-out money then). That's when you may see the war.
I think that we are agreeing with each other just saying it different ways.
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